hhp quite dumb

[Nightdawg]

lmao what? What exactly is fun about that situation, that someone got to take a belt? Whoooaaa radical. Yeah I'm sure it was really fun for the guy that got killed in that encounter, I doubt the person who did the killing even had much fun themselves unless they are sadistic and enjoy the act of killing itself rather than a challenging fight. There is nothing fun or interesting about a lack of challenge. I'm sure the victim learned so much useful information and he definitely didn't just stop playing the game instead.

Are you deliberately ignoring the entire story and only reading the "a noob died" part or...?
I said the guy decided to make the stupid choice of staying there instead of porting back to his hearth fire while he was KO'd, so I told my guy to kill him so he fucking learns not to make those stupid mistakes that cost your character.

This topic was about giving noobs some sort of advantage so they don't die, when this guy clearly didn't die the first time he got KO'd. We didn't even take the time to wound him badly, we just KO'd him with small wounds the first time. I told my guy to do the big cleave on the second KO so he learns to port back next time instead of hanging around next to the guys that knocked him out and stole from him.
We didn't KO him for the challenge, we KO'd him for the belt. The same reason you target anyone wearing traveller's sacks, troll/silk belts and/or merchant robes. It's just loot.

MY POINT IS, it's really not that hard to survive in this game, and idk how you people, that started playing 8-11 years ago, still say it's so super hard to not die.

[Kaios]

I didn't ignore it, but how are you so certain anything was learned from that outcome? Given the "peac me I port back now" response that you mentioned it's safe to assume that English is not their first language and they may not have even noticed or been able to read the notification you get for that on knockout. If a new player starts playing, is there anything to let them know about that mechanic before actually being knocked out if they haven't read the particular update that implemented it?

MY POINT IS, it's really not that hard to survive in this game, and idk how you people, that started playing 8-11 years ago, still say it's so super hard to not die.

Those mechanics haven't been implemented for that long, but for the entire time they have been players have been finding ways around them. Why should I believe that is not the case now?

[Nightdawg]

I didn't ignore it, but how are you so certain anything was learned from that outcome? Given the "peac me I port back now" response that you mentioned it's safe to assume that English is not their first language and they may not have even noticed or been able to read the notification you get for that on knockout. If a new player starts playing, is there anything to let them know about that mechanic before actually being knocked out if they haven't read the particular update that implemented it?

I assure you a player that has a silk belt is not the same thing as a newbie that started playing 3 days ago and gets KO'd by boars. Either way, they have to learn. I was getting attacked by players within the first 2 weeks of playing this game properly, and I learned. Why shouldn't they learn? Get rekt and get good.

MY POINT IS, it's really not that hard to survive in this game, and idk how you people, that started playing 8-11 years ago, still say it's so super hard to not die.

Those mechanics haven't been implemented for that long, but for the entire time they have been players have been finding ways around them. Why should I believe that is not the case now?

I figured since I know how to kill someone, you'd know too, judging by your account creation date. If you don't know how to kill someone with the current mechanics, I guess we should end the conversation here.
lol

[Kaios]

Yes good idea, I’d end the conversation too if the best response I could come up with is “I can do something you can’t do.”

Whether or not you or I know how to do it is not what matters, what matters is can the mechanics be intentionally subverted or not? Are players misled in to believing they have protection in those situations when it is in fact not the case? That’s what matters, no one gives a flying fuck about who in particular are capable of doing that, they care that the mechanics work how the developers say they will.

[Nightdawg]

Yes good idea, I’d end the conversation too if the best response I could come up with is “I can do something you can’t do.”

Whether or not you or I know how to do it is not what matters, what matters is can the mechanics be intentionally subverted or not? Are players misled in to believing they have protection in those situations when it is in fact not the case? That’s what matters, no one gives a flying fuck about who in particular are capable of doing that, they care that the mechanics work how the developers say they will.

All you have to do is go into murderous rage and use quick barrage till the point you figure you left them with the lowest HHP and then do a big cleave and hope the concussion RNG kills them, this isn't rocket science and it literally probably takes 20 minutes to figure out. I'm talking about how to kill a noob that can't run+drink+defend all at the same time, which I guess it's really hard in some people's cases. But I had to learn how to run+drink+defend within the first 2 weeks of me playing this game, because players were aggressive and it was either learn this or die, so I can't understand how you people play for 10 years and can't do those 20 minutes of thinking and want mechanics changed all the time

I'm ending the conversation because the best response I got from a player with 5 times my experience was "I can't figure out how to kill someone with the current mechanics" when I figured it out in 20 minutes.

As long as your fingers work and you can use defenses properly, you can't die unless you're already badly wounded.

[abt79]

One could have an informed opinion on death/HHP damage%caps, but why play the game when you can feed your need to get internet angry by getting red with rage at anything seeming not to condemn the PVPers in a PVP-centric game that live in your head rent-free.

On a separate note, this thread is a complete wash since OP doesn’t seem to understand the mechanics they propose sweeping changes for. One wonders whether it’s from sheer ignorance or willful trolling, however upon noticing that OP’s name the answer becomes “yes to both” quite clearly.

[VDZ]

I said the guy decided to make the stupid choice of staying there instead of porting back to his hearth fire while he was KO'd, so I told my guy to kill him so he fucking learns not to make those stupid mistakes that cost your character.

This topic was about giving noobs some sort of advantage so they don't die, when this guy clearly didn't die the first time he got KO'd. We didn't even take the time to wound him badly, we just KO'd him with small wounds the first time. I told my guy to do the big cleave on the second KO so he learns to port back next time instead of hanging around next to the guys that knocked him out and stole from him.

You know what I witnessed a couple of days ago? My guy knocked out a random noob cause he had a nice belt that I needed, stole his belt, and the guy didn't port back, he got up instead and started saying "peac me I port back now". I told him to kill him so he fucking learns. Imagine the game offers you the option to go back to safety, and you still don't use it. Punish the noobs so they learn.

From what I can tell, the noob wanted to teleport back as soon as possible (he explicitly communicated his intention to teleport back the moment he got up) and was simply not aware you could hearth back while KOed. If you had just KOed him again, he would've had another chance to retry and hopefully figure out it's possible to hearth while KOed (further incentivized by the fact that he would otherwise be locked into a repeated concussion loop, which might also make him realize that can't be right and there must be a different way out). Instead, you specifically killed him, the only outcome in which he's unable to move away (which is what you say you're trying to teach him). What did he learn from this? If anything, it may have given him the wrong impression that 'getting KOed by a griefer = inescapable death'.

[Nightdawg]

(which is what you say you're trying to teach him). What did he learn from this? If anything, it may have given him the wrong impression that 'getting KOed by a griefer = inescapable death'.

I'm not teaching him anything by KO'ing/killing him. He has to learn on his own, best case scenario, he'll ask what he could do in that situation, someone will say "just port back when you're knocked out", etc.
Second option is he probably quit this game and won't come back, which is also ok. This game is a curse and you all know it. We're chained to it