Realms are hot poopy garbage.

[pawnchito]

What about something like this.

Villages build up power level over time (mechanic is already active), once the village hits 100% you can start making buildings that are realm related. Grotesques and Menhirs give a very small bonus to the area near they are built. Once your little village is bursting at the seems with menhirs and grotesques you can start to project your power as a ruler of the area. Now a coronation stone can be built that amplifies your bonuses and you can challenge Thingwalls similar to how you can now. This level of progression also grants the state burial and from the coffers. Conquering the thingwall you are built in is similar to what a realm is now and it amplifies the buffs to their current state. Now that you actually have a zone of control you can begin adding Thingwalls.

This way there is a path for the lowly motherfucker to get some buffs and somewhat control their fate while the faction bois still do their own thing and stuff.

Mats would continue to be valuable through out the world as there would be a greater demand for them and an actual reason to continue to make and use them.

Or like make it so even if I'm not in a realm I can expand it and get myself the fucking buffs. So simple.

[pawnchito]

One more thing, the UI asked me for a name of my realm but previous criticism said you could not name your own realm.



Are you telling me it asked me what I should call my realm but then wont even display it? Its going to come up with some other name? Then why the fuck did it even ask what I wanted it to be called?

[strpk0]

One more thing, the UI asked me for a name of my realm but previous criticism said you could not name your own realm.



Are you telling me it asked me what I should call my realm but then wont even display it? Its going to come up with some other name? Then why the fuck did it even ask what I wanted it to be called?

It will show up once you own a thingwall.
Also, jorb deleted our realm name and changed it to Balder's Bra because he didn't like it, I doubt they care at this point but they might do the same to yours.

[MadNomad]

perhaps pick a normal one then? is it something that keeps happening or only happened to you?

[SnuggleSnail]

I think a big thing that's influencing people's positive feelings about realms is that when you're small any buff or thing that makes you life easier feels good, but all they really do is increase disparity. FactionBoi69 having +15% oreQ is going to do a lot more for him than it will for HermitBoi420. The easiest way to keep these balanced is to just not have buffs. Remember, the actual quality of your things DOT NOT MATTER AT ALL, all that matters is the quality of your things relative to others.

Likewise, FactionBoi69 will have these buffs earlier, and likely for longer. You will still run into all the same problems of single people or groups controlling the ability of many others to be productive. I think it is very bad for the game that I should ever have the ability to press a button or destroy a grotesque to fuck over potentially hundreds of people.

If you want village buffs from menhirs and grotesques fair enough, but I see no reason why it should ever affect anybody outside of your village.

Also, jorb deleted our realm name and changed it to Balder's Bra because he didn't like it, I doubt they care at this point but they might do the same to yours.

Multiple times. They're massive Nazis that will fuck with your shit just because it's funny to do so early in the world (they said the first time they renamed us was a joke, even tho they wouldn't let us choose another name ), but late world you're free to do whatever the fuck you want. Nobody will do anything now, even if you're hard abusing things that are explicitly against the rules

[axus]

Things I like about large Realms:
- Long-range in-game chat with people I don't know, without the Discord posing
- Quality buffs
- Gives an option to "take over the world" besides murdering every active player
- Drama

Things I don't like about Realms:
- Leadership can be absent

[sMartins]

Implement Assembly/Democracy .... The Greek One!

Could be fun, a vote system and such.

Every realm could choose It's own form of government! And internal fights to change It.

[SnuggleSnail]

Things I like about large Realms:
- Long-range in-game chat with people I don't know, without the Discord posing
- Quality buffs
- Gives an option to "take over the world" besides murdering every active player
- Drama

- Chat being tied to realms makes it worse, and your line of communication can be cut of arbitrarily which is unironically the reason a lot of facebook moms quit in my experience because they were hermits but played for social reasons
- Could just raise the baseline quality of ore by 15% for a much fairer version of realm buffs if you just want numbers to be arbitrarily higher for you sometimes in exchange for nothing
- I guarantee you nobody building cairns / warflags sees it this way xd it's just another method to grief or to improve their own industry (that they don't enjoy doing)
- There is no drama related to realms. There were 3 realm fights this world, and none of them were because people cared about realms. I would bet my life you don't even know who is with which realm, I've never met a pleb who got it right

[pawnchito]

- There is no drama related to realms.

Only internal drama lelz.

I mean this whole thread could be summarized here.

TlDR: Realms bad.

[Potjeh]

I agree that there's lots of problems with how realms work, but I think they're a really cool concept so they shouldn't be just scrapped. So I propose a complete rework of how authority gain and realm bonuses work.

First, authority gain. As it's been pointed out, passive gain from people just being on realm territory doesn't really work when it comes to making realm owners care about the peasants. So I think instead realms should only gain authority from voluntary authority transfers from village idols in the realm. Of course this means that baseline authority upkeep should be decreased. Nobody would donate to realms whose owners don't offer anything the people or even KoS them. Some villages might donate to a realm if they like the owners. But almost everyone would pay authority to gain realm buffs.

Which brings me the second point, buff upkeep. Without automatic gain of authority, it's infeasible to have this upkeep draw from realm authority pool. Instead, I think buffs should be a prepaid service, where a village in the realm can pay authority points to active one point of a specific buff for a specific duration. The buff would still apply to the entire realm territory, to foster cooperation between all villages in the realm. The realm owners would be able to set a tax on this buff activation, ie every time you activate a buff you'd need to also pay a percentage of it's price to the realm. This would probably be needed to somewhat reliably fill realm authority rather than having it depend on just donations.

Finally, the requirements for activating a buff. IMO just grinding menhirs and grotesques is kinda lame and doesn't do enough to promote player interaction. I would just scrap this system altogether. Instead I'd use the province system. Each province gives one point of one buff that the realm can use (max buff points still capped at 5). The type of buff that the province gives could be based on it's biomes, for example a coastal province giving Marriage of the Sea and a mountain province giving Mountain Tradition. So to get max Mountain Tradition a realm would have to hold five mountain provinces. The idea here is to make realms compete with each other for specific provinces so there's an actual reason for regular PvP. And the inhabitants of the contested provinces would probably prefer one realm over the other, so they might get more involved in faction politics.