Just revert the hp change for the love of god i beg of you

[VDZ]

People just prefer PVE in general. You can compare the amount of PVP/PVE players in WoW for example.

Data for reset #51 (from 20 September 2023 to 26 September 2023)
Wrath PVE population: 129,411
Wrath PVP population: 258,349
Classic ERA PVE: 4,485
Classic ERA PVP: 14,184

Kinda hard to tell since every private server host is lying through their fucking teeth, but if I had to guess Ascension probably has the highest population of any private server, and for the longest time their main big draw was full loot PVP.

I don't think these numbers mean anything for preference of PvE gameplay over PvP or vice versa. Back when I played Dransik/Ashen Empires, which also (when I played) had open PvP with nearly-full looting (inventory + a random equipment gets dropped) I always played on PvP servers despite almost never engaging in PvP myself. People can appreciate the existence of PvP even while rarely using the system. Even in Haven, just having the option to threaten to attack someone with a sword helps in diplomatic conflicts even if you never beat someone up.

The real question is: how many people regularly engage in PvP combat (because we're talking about combat here, not the more passive forms of PvP like theft, snatching resources before someone else, etc)? For Haven, I'm pretty sure the number is very small (if only due to the risk involved).

fair but who the fuck reads any of this? first thing i do when i find a new game is look up the prominent players that are known and look at how they play. the forums and the majority of haven videos make it very obvious what type of game this is.

How prominent players play and what videos Twitch players and similar make is not representative of the average play experience. Haven is not unique in this; for example, the vast majority of Magic: the Gathering players only play casual Magic (as pointed out by WOTC market research every single time) but most videos are about competitive play and almost all prominent players play competitively. That just means the Magic-watching audience is more interested in competitive, but the same is not true for the Magic-playing audience.

[mulamishne]

How prominent players play and what videos Twitch players and similar make is not representative of the average play experience. Haven is not unique in this; for example, the vast majority of Magic: the Gathering players only play casual Magic (as pointed out by WOTC market research every single time) but most videos are about competitive play and almost all prominent players play competitively. That just means the Magic-watching audience is more interested in competitive, but the same is not true for the Magic-playing audience.

Competitive magic play media has trended significantly lower than casual for a while, at least since the pandemic. Twitch is a cesspool that doesn't lead to EDH games because the length/attention span/15 minute turns, but the top yt creators are VERY focused casually or are Kibler.

[Sevenless]

I'm just gonna say comparing Haven to WoW is a crime against humanity.

[Dawidio123]

I'm bumping this shit, ain't no way this gonna be below sitting in fucking anthills. I've come to see the hp change as an opportunity for something good although i don't agree with the factor of 2 thing.

[APXEOLOG]

I'm bumping this shit, ain't no way this gonna be below sitting in fucking anthills. I've come to see the hp change as an opportunity for something good although i don't agree with the factor of 2 thing.

Can you not just relax and try the changes live? Why are you so afraid of changing the meta? Stats mean less, quality means more, focus on industry instead of food, that's it

[Clemins]

The real issue IS testing these changes, or testing anything game changing for that matter. J&L are at a point where they don't want to/don't have the time to play or fully test their game anymore. Dawidio's concern is completely justified given how things like this typically end up. We don't know what these health changes will look like because of how deep the implications go and the historical trend of the devs whiffing stuff like this. I really wish they had a legit test environment for us to mess around in and figure out this stuff for ourselves before pushing it to the main game.

Also, it is what it is at this point; Call it morbid curiosity, I kind of wanna see what this looks like no matter how good/bad it ends up being.

[noindyfikator]

1 day test server (with access to everything - custom stats, equipment etc.) before world reset would give hundred of times better feedback about new features than developers have from their own observation

[Dawidio123]

The real issue IS testing these changes...

Basically this, i know they didn't test every case that they should've tested because they never do (like they did with stacks). And those changes affect basically EVERY source of damage in the game. But yeah at this point i think even if the changes are not really good (they might be, we'll see), they'll at least be very funny to abuse.

1 day test server

I asked them to push those changes to valhalla during the stream and they said no, but that MAYBE, just MAYBE they will make a test server, but don't get your hopes up.

And i think some points made in this thread might be a food for thought for the devs, at least more so than the shitposts that were bumped yesterday.

[noindyfikator]

I think some points made in this thread might be a food for thought for the devs

surely they will read this, surely

[Reiber]

Well, realistically speaking, casual players may not be all that interested in the game's combat changes, so they neither support nor oppose them. Additionally, the developers have mentioned that they want to create a game that's not solely focused on PvP but rather a game where PvP is also possible. So, the emphasis is on the overall atmosphere and the vision that the developers have.

you shouldnt underestimate the interest sparked in the combat system by adding more and more dungeons,
the ability to get use out of your combat stats for non hunters , without dedicating your whole char to the sole purpose the be an replaceable combat alt that needs to stay ahead of an curve, has allowed an multitude of more casual players to atleast get familiar with the basics of combat,

before dungeons. people only interacted with the combat system aproximately 30 seconds before they die,
with dungeons, people wanting in on the fun can get used to the basics in scenarios with an less than 100% chance for death and getting your body bashed.

dosnt change that combat is 90% running and drinking and 10% combat, with similar stats, and 99-1% with uneven stats,
but you wont run away from players with drink and movecommand scripts, and flatmaps anyway.