Can we discover thingwalls just from being in the proviance

[Kaios]

@Jorb daily reminder community fair was the primary reason that world 10 was so beloved, and CF only existed because of easy travel.

We can have a big market and a belowed world again once you stop gatekeeping with bugraids, griefing and lies. No one wants to deal with a parasite like you looming over any community project so its less likely to happen.

Yeah lol I was reading that when he posted it and thought, "Didn't he raid or attempt to raid every major market since world 10?" and sure enough it seems I am recalling that correctly. Plus it was around the time tokens were introduced, but everyone likes to pretend tokens have nothing to do with the decline in global trade.

[SnuggleSnail]

you guys rly wear your biases on ur sleeve don't you

• I haven't ever sidged a major market because they haven't existed since W10
• If a major market suddenly sprung up today I still wouldn't sidge it because sidge isn't realistic anymore
• Even if I were personally responsible for there being no market, the game's mechanics not allowing major markets to exist would still be bad

I am a no life nerd and fast travel is still kindof annoying for me there's no way it's "easy" for regular people if it's anything to me

[noindyfikator]

regular ppl don't need to travel across whole map

[SnuggleSnail]

In world 10 I knew several very low tech hermits who traveled from the from the very north of the map to the very south (cf) like 15 times a day

[Kaios]

I didn't say siege, I said raid. Obviously getting around visitor with minehole or some other method isn't siege. Markets or community projects, either way when those get announced guess who is the first to show up at the door?

Anyways, I simply don't agree with the premise that fast travel is the reason for a lack of major markets. There isn't much difference between now and then, you still have to travel to where ever the charter is at least once and even if you don't have one of your own you can use a thingwall to travel to them.

[Luno]

What if the sense thingwall spell instantly discovered the current province's thingwall instead. Maybe make it cost like 4x more if you feel that would somehow make it any better.

[maze]

Just forgetting that single bug raid with the catapult + knarr in world 15 on a small time market~ that person wanted to make a large project market that was not attached to any group or faction... loftar had to step in and break the knarr

[azrid]

you guys rly wear your biases on ur sleeve don't you
I haven't ever sidged a major market because they haven't existed since W10

What are your parameters for a "major market"? I'm asking so future market creators can read and figure out if its worth it for them to even start one.

Even if I were personally responsible for there being no market, the game's mechanics not allowing major markets to exist would still be bad

current thingwall discovery mechanic is not why markets don't exist you dummy
lying or stupid?

I am a no life nerd and fast travel is still kindof annoying for me there's no way it's "easy" for regular people if it's anything to me

Go nolife some friends in game so they let you use their charterstone.
Or just look at the world map all the thingwalls are marked on it.

you still have to travel to where ever the charter is at least once

no you don't
play the game

[Kaios]

you still have to travel to where ever the charter is at least once

no you don't
play the game

Oh okay. Did that change in world 15? Or when thingwalls were added? Admittedly I did not once use a charter last world, though I'm not sure what Snail is complaining about since that's no longer required.

[Sephiron]

you still have to travel to where ever the charter is at least once

no you don't
play the game

Oh okay. Did that change in world 15? Or when thingwalls were added? Admittedly I did not once use a charter last world, though I'm not sure what Snail is complaining about since that's no longer required.

You just need to visit a thingwall and know the secret name of the charter stone you want to TP to. You need to discover thingwalls still to travel between them, though, which is probably where you're getting confused.
Charter stones worked the same way in W14 as far as I recall