Require Sieging to Destroy Knarr Dock

[Kaios]

If docks were only smashable with siege engines, couldn't people build troll docks in the middle of rivers to block their enemies path to the outside world?

Yes and that's a fair point to consider which is why I'd be fine with changing their mechanics so that quality of materials used at least influenced their ease of destructibility but other things like weariness reduction could be cool as well.

[Ants]

If docks were only smashable with siege engines, couldn't people build troll docks in the middle of rivers to block their enemies path to the outside world?

Yes and that's a fair point to consider which is why I'd be fine with changing their mechanics so that quality of materials used at least influenced their ease of destructibility but other things like weariness reduction could be cool as well.

That sounds fair, as long as the time required to smash a high q dock isn't too high. As long as it's properly balanced it could work.

[Kaios]

Currently it takes around 450-500 strength to break them with a pickaxe which would be a little high for a base value so the soak at q10 could be reduced slightly and it could also have a quality cap at some point similar to knarrs.

[azrid]

To avoid tedium you buy the materials. Thus it promotes trade. Plenty of tar and tarsticks have been traded this world.
Tedium that cant be easily avoided with trading is the bad kind.

[Kaios]

To avoid tedium you buy the materials.

And what do you trade with? Everything takes time to acquire... unless you mean tokens?

Tedium that cant be easily avoided with trading is the bad kind.

Jesus what a counter to your previous statements, causing tedium is a great mechanic but you can avoid tedium if you buy materials and now tedium that can't be easily avoided is bad. Yet exactly what you propose is added tedium that can't be avoided.

[azrid]

You sell your waste products like people sell tools made out of trash wrought.
If you actually talk to the people living around you they can offer themselves as work force. I know i have employed people in the past 3 worlds to help me alleviate the tedium that comes with building, farming and looking for dungeons. I would have quit many times over if I didn't use new player help to shorten the time I spend on boring tasks.
Not all tedium is created equal. Some promotes trade some is there just to mess with you. Its important to distinguish between these.

[Kaios]

Nah I strongly disagree. See? I can say that too without providing any supporting evidence or points to backup anything I’m saying.

There’s absolutely no reason a thread like this should be so controversial that it goes up to 5 pages now almost 6, you’re full of such shit with this stupid argument that your eyes are turning brown and I’m done talking about it with you.

Enjoy playing with the 10 or so people who would like the kind of game you seem to envision.

[azrid]

I accept your defeat.

[Kaios]

There’s your problem, even on the forum you’re trying so hard to win that you’ll do or say anything to “defeat” someone even if the game ends up worse for it. So I’ll admit that defeat happily and you can enjoy your win at the detriment of this game since it’s never going to get any better with ideas like yours.

With friends like you who needs enemies?

[azrid]

Disagree but thank you for accepting my victory.