Tide pools should count for quests

[terechgracz]

If you really have some calculation to show that it is 50% labors by tide pool, I am very interest in see it. But you must be able to define some variables and explain this proof.

Because effort isn't technical term I used something sociologists do in their research
https://www.strawpoll.me/19735169

[Ysh]

If you really have some calculation to show that it is 50% labors by tide pool, I am very interest in see it. But you must be able to define some variables and explain this proof.

Because effort isn't technical term I used something sociologists do in their research
https://www.strawpoll.me/19735169

There is reason sociology is considered soft science. Survey technique is not suitable replacement for quantitative analysis.

[Omnipotent]

I do not think I have any double standard. Perhaps it is case of you misunderstand relevant factors, or maybe I have not explained relevant factors well enough to you. For which thing specifically do you think I have existing some double standard? So far a few of the men have try some though experiment examples, and for all of them my logic has carried over. I think if we work together we can get to bottom of this misunderstanding.

You say a net is an extension of man. So is a sword or pickaxe. With that same line of logic, the creator of the sword is the one who by extension kills all animals they kill. But the sword creator does not get anything from it.

Same goes for net. Net is an extension of man. The creator of the net is the one who by extension catches all they fish the net gets. However anyone can gather from the net. I don't have to do any work for the net if Joe random makes one for me. Or if Jack enemy makes one I can steal his fish from his net.

Basically the person who does the action gets the credit. If I kill something with my sword, I get the credit. If I pick a fish up out of a tidepool, I should get the credit. Nobody helped catch that fish, it was entirely the tide pool. Same for the net. I do no work, the net does all the work. Why do I get credit for what the net does, but not get credit for what the tidepool does.

You try to argue net is man made. But I did not make the net, like I did not make the tidepool. I should not get credit for the net if I do not get credit for the tidepool. Only the creator of the net should get credit by your line of logic. Do you understand now why your creator theory makes no sense beyond hermit players?

I don't have to make a net to get credit from the net. Much like I don't have to make a tidepool to get fish from the tide pool.

Fundamentally there is no difference between the two. One just happens to give you quest credit, and the other currently does not.

We did not make man, world gen made man. Therefore, by proxy: Crediting things to man is the same as crediting to world generation. The only difference is your opinion.

[Ysh]

I respond in more detail below, but summary is that I think source of confusion is that I do not think it is creator of tool who gets extension benefit of tool, but rather it is the user of the tool. Just as smith does not kill when a killer kills with sword he makes, it is the killer who kills.

You say a net is an extension of man. So is a sword or pickaxe.

Yes.

With that same line of logic, the creator of the sword is the one who by extension kills all animals they kill.

No, creator is not man who has the extension, it is the man who is using it.

But the sword creator does not get anything from it.

Yes.

Same goes for net. Net is an extension of man.

Yes.

The creator of the net is the one who by extension catches all they fish the net gets.

No, it is the user of the net, just as user of sword does kills.

However anyone can gather from the net.

Yes.

I don't have to do any work for the net if Joe random makes one for me.

No, you must still use net to catch fish by placing it in waters.

Or if Jack enemy makes one I can steal his fish from his net.

You can not steal fish from his net if he does not place net in waters. Just making net is not good enough as above.

Basically the person who does the action gets the credit. If I kill something with my sword, I get the credit.

Yes.

If I pick a fish up out of a tidepool, I should get the credit.

No, tidepool caught fish. You did not catch fish. Tide pool is not extension of you.

Nobody helped catch that fish, it was entirely the tide pool.

Yes, this is why you do not get credit. The tide pool does all this work.

Same for the net.

No, you are using net as extension of your self. Tide pool is not extension of your self.

I do no work, the net does all the work.

You do work by using net.

Why do I get credit for what the net does, but not get credit for what the tidepool does.

Net is tool that extends your ability. Tide pool is not tool that extends your ability.

You try to argue net is man made. But I did not make the net, like I did not make the tidepool.

Some man made the net. This net is man made. No man made the tide pool. This tide pool is not man made.

I should not get credit for the net if I do not get credit for the tidepool.

There is difference between net and tide pool.

Only the creator of the net should get credit by your line of logic.

No, it is user of the net that gets credit.

Do you understand now why your creator theory makes no sense beyond hermit players?

I did not put forth ''creator theory,'' so I think this is source of confusion.

I don't have to make a net to get credit from the net.

You do not need to make tool to use it.

Much like I don't have to make a tidepool to get fish from the tide pool.

Yes, you can get fish from tide pool for sure. But you do not catch them from here. They are already caught by tide pool.

Fundamentally there is no difference between the two.

Fundamentally there is difference that net is man made tool that you are using and tide pool is not.

One just happens to give you quest credit, and the other currently does not.

As expected I think.

We did not make man, world gen made man. Therefore, by proxy: Crediting things to man is the same as crediting to world generation.

This metainformation do not exist inside in game universe.

The only difference is your opinion.

Only difference between what?

[azrid]

Ysh is right.

[terechgracz]

If I touch sword and swing it then it is extension of me. If I take two branches and rub them together then they are too extensions of me which allow me to create fire, so same logic should be used when using tide pool. I approach tidepool and touch it and then it becomes extension of me.
Anyways, you have to prove that it is actually tidepool catching fish not me catching fish by interacting with tidepool.

[Burinn]

Ysh is right.

I don't believe you, Ysh, or anyone else even knows what Ysh is right about.

[Omnipotent]

I was implying Joe random placed the net in the water. If he doesn't place the net in the water how is he going to get fish... Talk about semantics.

[Hasta]

I was implying Joe random placed the net in the water. If he doesn't place the net in the water how is he going to get fish... Talk about semantics.

So if joe random placed the net in the water and I raise it joe gets credit for fishing quest and I don't? :<

[Ysh]

If I touch sword and swing it then it is extension of me. If I take two branches and rub them together then they are too extensions of me which allow me to create fire, so same logic should be used when using tide pool.

Sword and firebrand are tools some man has crafted to extend abilities of user. Tide pool does not fit this description.

I approach tidepool and touch it and then it becomes extension of me.

Touching some thing does not make it extension of you. Why it would do this? By this logic if I am touching you and you kill a man, then I have killed this man by extension. I think this notion is clearly silly.

Anyways, you have to prove that it is actually tidepool catching fish not me catching fish by interacting with tidepool.

Fish does not live in tidepool. Fish can not leave tidepool. This is why fish is considered caught by tidepool.