Hello Jorb and Loftar remove subtoken trading

[shubla]

Maybe there could be this huge dick in realm cairn which would gain in size, the more tokens are added(permanently consumed), factions would surely want to have biggest dick in the hearthlands, so we could get nice sink for tokens.

In end of world winner would be the realm whom dick is the biggest, they would get maybe a statue in the next world to represent their greatness.

[Stealthkibbler]

Maybe there could be this huge dick in realm cairn which would gain in size, the more tokens are added(permanently consumed), factions would surely want to have biggest dick in the hearthlands, so we could get nice sink for tokens.

In end of world winner would be the realm whom dick is the biggest, they would get maybe a statue in the next world to represent their greatness.

Gates of Ahn'Qiraj but instead of a gate and world resources its a big whale that looks exactly like the sea tribe logo, it is persistent, cannot be killed, does not despawn and will mow down anything in its unstoppable path as it travels the open seas, unless you right click it with a sub-token, it will become pacified for a moment allowing you to insert sub tokens into its coin slot shaped blowhole until after an indeterminate amount of tokens it dives only to resurface somewhere else on the high seas, the individuals who insert the most sub tokens into the blowhole get rewarded with unique untradeable whale hats at the end of the world as a token of appreciation for their undying loyalty to the Sea Tribe Whale and feeding its insatiable hunger for pride and accomplishment.

[jordancoles]

Maybe there could be this huge dick in realm cairn which would gain in size, the more tokens are added(permanently consumed), factions would surely want to have biggest dick in the hearthlands, so we could get nice sink for tokens.

In end of world winner would be the realm whom dick is the biggest, they would get maybe a statue in the next world to represent their greatness.

I still doubt that the previous world "winner" who sacrificed their character on the end of the world dolmen ever got their statue.

[Kaios]

I will talk from PvP perspective now but it can probably be related to other stuff as well. PvP is most interesting when fights are very close and you are unsure which side will win , it gets boring when one of the sides just overwhelms the other.

Right but as far as I know that has hardly ever been the case in the majority of fights/skirmishes/assaults, with or without tokens. Casual players don't often care about buying the best of the best stuff anyways, they can go around and get things that are close enough without the need for that. Some Russian dude gave me q100+ hammer and anvil early on which I realize is not all that comparable to what faction groups had or have now but to get that for free was a very nice boon.

In HnH the PvP related stuff is currently extremely dependant on how much time you spend on the game which means that a ton of people who have less time than others are at a disadvantage which has to be balanced in some way. One of the ways to solve this problem is to introduce other things from IRL that people could offer for it other than time , the easiest and most common way is ofc introducing the money into the game (preferably to make it limited how much people can spend for game to stay in balance).
The other ways are : limit how much time people can play , change how game works. First option people don't like, because who would like to play less the game they like or be stressed about how much time you have left to play? (and will just encourage people to make even more alts) Second option is easier said than done.

I don't really understand what your point is. Where are the players that have put in enough money to be able to compete with a large faction group? Is that even possible, if for example you are a player or group that had to buy from them in the first place, to catch up? No faction group is selling their top stuff for tokens, they are selling their old upgrades and such and retaining their advantage. Does that allow for catching up much more than trading without tokens would? I don't think so personally.

It seems to me that the argument being made that this is important income for the devs comes from a place of selfishness and greed, such players aren't at all concerned about the devs or their income because they aren't buying tokens themselves at all. They are only trying to make money off them through RMT.

[WowGain]

This world has barely been going and already you have players getting bored and going inactive or quitting altogether until the next world. But sure, you're right and I'm wrong, the game is in an absolutely fantastic state and tokens have done nothing to harm the game's economy.

Must be difficult to see when wearing blinders all the time.

Idk man I've been playing with the same group of about 25 people since the world has begun, and if anything our group has actually expanded over time. I'd say we've about 40 people now who all actively play almost every day in our group between many villages and hermitages

[Zbyx]

Does that allow for catching up much more than trading without tokens would?

Yes