Make PVP opt-in only

[Audiosmurf]

Somehow, I kind of think you're false flagging, and I agree with jorb's sentiments re: pvp and griefing (like, in theory, what's to prevent me from surrounding your base with an unkillable wall of alts and boxing you in Forever if I have the capacity to do so,) but this is still based.

It's just a silly and exhausting argument to make.

Do we believe that people would be willing to go through the effort of making elaborate new ways to grief and ruin other peoples games? Yeah, maybe?
Even though there is nothing stopping them from doing the exact same shit right now? Yeah, maybe?
And we think that these processes and activities will become so widepspread and popular that there will be more complaints about janky, exploity behaviour after PVP is removed than there are with it in? ...ehhh.... that's a stretch

I duno man, I just really don't see it.

You are saying that lowly noobs being safe from random ganks is going to be the motivation a few people need to create a new terrible endemic of game breaking griefing activities??

It just seems pretty farfetched.

You can't just handwave away being able to remove someone from the game, permanently, with Literally No Recourse, by saying "ehhh maybe but don't worry about it" though. Obviously, there's effectively no recourse at present for the average carebear when faced with a competent PVPer, but the devs adding that capability to the game, on purpose, probably isn't gonna happen.

[Zentetsuken]

You can't just handwave away being able to remove someone from the game, permanently, with Literally No Recourse, by saying "ehhh maybe but don't worry about it" though. Obviously, there's effectively no recourse at present for the average carebear when faced with a competent PVPer, but the devs adding that capability to the game, on purpose, probably isn't gonna happen.

I would definitely have to be pretty retarded to believe that jorb would be willing to make some big change that could make the game more enjoyable for people.

I definitely don't think this thread will really amount to anything, but I thought it was worth making the suggestion for the sake of discussion anyways.

And I guess there is a tiny glimmer of hope given his recent change of heart towards "removing broken and stupid things from the game" after 10 years of stomping feet and telling people that difficult shitty gameplay is their vision.

[strpk0]

I still think this game should instead focus on reminding everyone that they can and will be attacked anytime, thus spending even 30 minutes of their playtime per week practicing running away from people is one of the best time investments currently in the game, or atleast much MUCH better than spending that time making fucking raisin cupcakes or whatever else people love to do for no apparent reason.

Along with that, I think the game could lose a lot of its dumb forced bot fest content that makes the stat race impossible for casual players. On this point I don't think it will ever be 100% fair, but as it currently stands it's definitely the most broken and unbalanced it has ever been, yet the devs refuse to concede that things like whales, truffles, pepper salt and whatnot are so horribly bad for the game that they honestly warrant being removed immediately and maybe reconsidered at a later date with heavy modification (or not at all, preferably).

Idk, I get that not everyone is a sweatlord willing (or capable) of dedicating multiple hours of their daily playtime to learning the ins and outs of PvP, but I also sort of feel that if you willingly play this game but also willingly decide to be a literal brick when it comes to PvP is just dooming whatever amount of effort you put into progressing in the game, and you honestly kind of deserve whatever happens to you down the line.

The barrier to being able to survive a PvP encounter is shockingly low, even with terrible stats and mediocre armour its currently pretty easy to survive most PvP encounters (minus when horses got involved, but thankfully we finally managed to convince them to nerf those bastard things this world). This just makes it even more painful that so many people instead choose the sitting duck playstyle and are legitimately offended/surprised when they get their metaphorical shit kicked in by some random that knows how to hold down the quick barrage key.

I think all of those things are much more viable solutions than outright removing PvP, not to mention you really can't deny that open PvP makes a lot of this game a lot more interesting. I couldn't imagine putting myself through this game's tedium and frequent bs if I'm also perfectly safe along the way. There are much better games like minecraft for that purpose, and I honestly don't think this game could (or should) ever compete with them.

[wonder-ass]

i dont think the devs give a fuck about people dying they prob enjoy reading the drama. they have done plenty of things to mitigate total loss of everything if u still manage to lose everything its a skill issue.

[insanechef]

Im sure they love reading about how all the new users hate dying and being bullied and quitting quickly, really makes that 3 year client rewrite feel worth it.

Fuck pvpers and there boring spreadsheet grindfest redbox mentality.

[Zentetsuken]

i dont think the devs give a fuck about people dying they prob enjoy reading the drama. they have done plenty of things to mitigate total loss of everything if u still manage to lose everything its a skill issue.

judging on how loftar and jorb only just reacted to winter numbers dropping for the first time ever like a month ago ... I suspect that they don't enjoy reading at all

[Zentetsuken]

I think all of those things are much more viable solutions than outright removing PvP, not to mention you really can't deny that open PvP makes a lot of this game a lot more interesting. I couldn't imagine putting myself through this game's tedium and frequent bs if I'm also perfectly safe along the way. There are much better games like minecraft for that purpose, and I honestly don't think this game could (or should) ever compete with them.

You know for a fact that none of those things are ever going to be looked at or changed in any meaningful way, you just offered them 100 tweaks instead of 1 easy, immediate solution.

I'm trying to be realistic here.

Nobody ever said "remove PVP"

The idea is only to make it optional. This is literally the way that almost every other successful MMO works in the entire industry.

Tons of games do this in tons of different ways, from PVP arenas, to PVP zones, to PVP toggles.

The amount of effort it would take to allow people to enjoy the best of both worlds would be incredibly low. One easy, simple solution.

[wolf1000wolf]

I think all of those things are much more viable solutions than outright removing PvP, not to mention you really can't deny that open PvP makes a lot of this game a lot more interesting. I couldn't imagine putting myself through this game's tedium and frequent bs if I'm also perfectly safe along the way. There are much better games like minecraft for that purpose, and I honestly don't think this game could (or should) ever compete with them.

You know for a fact that none of those things are ever going to be looked at or changed in any meaningful way, you just offered them 100 tweaks instead of 1 easy, immediate solution.

I'm trying to be realistic here.

Nobody ever said "remove PVP"

The idea is only to make it optional. This is literally the way that almost every other successful MMO works in the entire industry.

Tons of games do this in tons of different ways, from PVP arenas, to PVP zones, to PVP toggles.

The amount of effort it would take to allow people to enjoy the best of both worlds would be incredibly low. One easy, simple solution.

Keep up the good fight brother. Like most other ppl, I've kind of given up expecting HnH to move out of extreme niche dark ages.

[MagicManICT]

I'm all for short experimental worlds. Let's have a 3-6 month world where PvP is opt in and see how it does. Who shows up? Who doesn't?

Keep up the good fight brother. Like most other ppl, I've kind of given up expecting HnH to move out of extreme niche dark ages.

I'm not a PvPer fighter in Haven, yet this is one of the things I like about the game. The world needs more boutique game experiences.

[Audiosmurf]

I'm all for short experimental worlds. Let's have a 3-6 month world where PvP is opt in and see how it does. Who shows up? Who doesn't?

Could get down with this. I think the issues would become apparent within like a week, personally.