Give Storm of Swords the Jugular treatment

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Re: Give Storm of Swords the Jugular treatment

Postby SnuggleSnail » Sun Sep 22, 2024 7:47 am

There is practically unanimous agreement SoS is boring to play with or against, regardless of if you're winning or losing.
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Re: Give Storm of Swords the Jugular treatment

Postby terechgracz » Sun Sep 22, 2024 9:14 am

One thing I don't like about SOS is the damage ratios. Why does it deal more damage to targets further away? It makes the move strange, forcing you to focus on someone else instead of the person you actually want to damage.
At first glance, the mechanic seems fun and skillful to use, but it's actually unreliable. That’s why people don’t want it nerfed—they dream of hitting that 200% damage on the fifth target. But because it’s so hard to achieve, they also want the move buffed to make it easier to hit that 200%.
I think the damage ratios should decrease with distance, like 100%, 80%, 60%, 40%, and 20%. It would still be strong against zergs because of the openings.
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Re: Give Storm of Swords the Jugular treatment

Postby DonVelD » Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:29 am

"the evil PVPers want this" "the evil PVPers want you to X" "the evil PVPers will Y"

put all of those words in my mouth. all of that shit. i love it.

you know jack shit about what pvpers want bob and it shows.

i'd rather believe insane schizo conspiracy theories than your bullshit theories about "le big PVP" trying to break your legs for entertainment
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Re: Give Storm of Swords the Jugular treatment

Postby DonVelD » Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:37 am

i'm team make b12s require 4 steel or something, make steelmaking easier, make mining way easier, nerf SOS to improve actual fun in PVP, make bunny slipper buff global, make getting stats less grindy, make forager buff not require forager

guess what? the big evil PVPer wants more fun for everyone gasp

i am, however, team make dying easier, make siege easier

why? because its fun to kill and raid bases. it is also fun to myself get killed the shit out of me or sieged by someone because its part of the game (and fun)
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Re: Give Storm of Swords the Jugular treatment

Postby Vert » Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:43 am

we are the top fighters of this game and for some time now we have had a problem another meta build has appeared.
there should only be a build with b12 in the game.
we should not adapt to the balance, the balance should adapt to us! diversity is bad.
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Re: Give Storm of Swords the Jugular treatment

Postby DonVelD » Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:59 am

oh god please more words into my mouth I FUCKING LOVE THAT!!! im stroking my dick rn

thats EXACTLY what im saying sweetheart!!!!
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Re: Give Storm of Swords the Jugular treatment

Postby Robben_DuMarsch » Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:00 am

Vert wrote:we are the top fighters of this game and for some time now we have had a problem another meta build has appeared.
there should only be a build with b12 in the game.
we should not adapt to the balance, the balance should adapt to us! diversity is bad.


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Re: Give Storm of Swords the Jugular treatment

Postby noindyfikator » Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:47 am

Vert wrote:we are the top fighters of this game and for some time now we have had a problem another meta build has appeared.
there should only be a build with b12 in the game.
we should not adapt to the balance, the balance should adapt to us! diversity is bad.


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serious response to a retarded post. I am the idiot here

Postby grumgrumganoe » Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:37 pm

Vert wrote:we are the top fighters of this game and for some time now we have had a problem another meta build has appeared.
there should only be a build with b12 in the game.
we should not adapt to the balance, the balance should adapt to us! diversity is bad.

they are going to adapt to this move being OP (begrudgingly, because it’s boring to mash 1 button) and the same people who’re making excuses and fanfiction to defend it now will be whining to have it nerfed after they get clapped by it, same as they did with critter speed buffs removal/reinstatement

because its shortsighted to support bad mechanics just because they benefit you - that unfair/unfun advantage won’t always go your way, and more importantly it makes the game worse for everyone. For the past five worlds the same people you call “evil selfish pvpers” have been doing the exact opposite in asking for nerfs of whales, questing, and ofc storm of spam

to any good-faith actors watching at home: literally 0 pvpers are opposed to there being a dynamic and viable sword build in the meta - sos is just unbalanced in a way that makes fighting with or against it boring
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Re: serious response to a retarded post. I am the idiot here

Postby Dawidio123 » Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:04 pm

grumgrumganoe wrote:
Vert wrote:we are the top fighters of this game and for some time now we have had a problem another meta build has appeared.
there should only be a build with b12 in the game.
we should not adapt to the balance, the balance should adapt to us! diversity is bad.

they are going to adapt to this move being OP (begrudgingly, because it’s boring to mash 1 button) and the same people who’re making excuses and fanfiction to defend it now will be whining to have it nerfed after they get clapped by it, same as they did with critter speed buffs removal/reinstatement

because its shortsighted to support bad mechanics just because they benefit you - that unfair/unfun advantage won’t always go your way, and more importantly it makes the game worse for everyone. For the past five worlds the same people you call “evil selfish pvpers” have been doing the exact opposite in asking for nerfs of whales, questing, and ofc storm of spam

to any good-faith actors watching at home: literally 0 pvpers are opposed to there being a dynamic and viable sword build in the meta - sos is just unbalanced in a way that makes fighting with or against it boring

The fun part is robben already said he will come cry to the forums about SoS if it becomes the overall meta ¦]

I'd love for there to be alternative builds to B12 Cleave, especially ones using cutblade, but SoS is as aforementioned mindless AoE spam that could literally be done by a bot that just uses it once enemy gets in range (Surely nobody will make that bot now that you can run and hit ¦] )
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