99% of PVP/permadeath woes are an onboarding issue

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Re: 99% of PVP/permadeath woes are an onboarding issue

Postby ZamAlex » Fri Jul 31, 2026 1:39 pm

MarcusXDead wrote:...
Every problem that is currently "solved via pvp by design", like bot griefing, contesting something and ect. is much more easily solved then trying to make PvP ballanced and enjoyable.

Yeah, okay any soultion? Screaming at discord "MODS MODS SOMEONE GRIEF ME BY DROPING LOGS IN FROM OF MY GATES ALL DAY!!!" will not work, coz devs politic is "minimal contancts with commiunity" - they will not and do not wish become your mom, you know.
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Re: 99% of PVP/permadeath woes are an onboarding issue

Postby IsThisRad » Fri Jul 31, 2026 6:57 pm

ZamAlex wrote:
MarcusXDead wrote:...
Every problem that is currently "solved via pvp by design", like bot griefing, contesting something and ect. is much more easily solved then trying to make PvP ballanced and enjoyable.

Yeah, okay any soultion? Screaming at discord "MODS MODS SOMEONE GRIEF ME BY DROPING LOGS IN FROM OF MY GATES ALL DAY!!!" will not work, coz devs politic is "minimal contancts with commiunity" - they will not and do not wish become your mom, you know.

I feel like an asshole because I don't want to possibly be making fun of some fourteen year old dude just putting himself out there online, but there's so little thought in the post you're responding to. I feel like these guys either don't understand or just don't care what makes this game fun. They would play Vintage Story or some similar survival game and be on their knees begging the devs of those games to just turn it into Minecraft. Why live this way? Is there anything to be done? Save me

A cool technique to address an unfortunate pattern I've noticed: just don't read a post if the guy doesn't have a pfp lol
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Re: 99% of PVP/permadeath woes are an onboarding issue

Postby ZamAlex » Fri Jul 31, 2026 7:01 pm

IsThisRad wrote:A cool technique to address an unfortunate pattern I've noticed: just don't read a post if the guy doesn't have a pfp lol

It's actually real smart tech, thank you, haha.
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Re: 99% of PVP/permadeath woes are an onboarding issue

Postby MarcusXDead » Sat Aug 01, 2026 11:02 am

ZamAlex wrote:Yeah, okay any soultion? Screaming at discord "MODS MODS SOMEONE GRIEF ME BY DROPING LOGS IN FROM OF MY GATES ALL DAY!!!" will not work, coz devs politic is "minimal contancts with commiunity" - they will not and do not wish become your mom, you know.

Please remind me, how exactly this problem is solved currently, if the one placing the logs is, let's say, protected by a group of overstat sweatlords?
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Re: 99% of PVP/permadeath woes are an onboarding issue

Postby Halbertz » Sat Aug 01, 2026 11:36 am

MarcusXDead wrote:
ZamAlex wrote:Yeah, okay any soultion? Screaming at discord "MODS MODS SOMEONE GRIEF ME BY DROPING LOGS IN FROM OF MY GATES ALL DAY!!!" will not work, coz devs politic is "minimal contancts with commiunity" - they will not and do not wish become your mom, you know.

Please remind me, how exactly this problem is solved currently, if the one placing the logs is, let's say, protected by a group of overstat sweatlords?

Well, let's imagine the options.
If it's a naked alt, you knock him out twice in a row and he dies. Ideally, you should go and break his hearthfire, but if not, he can only make an heir every four hours.
If it's someone like Snail on his character, you either wait for him to switch to someone else (he only has one main character, so he needs to play the game yk), or you and a couple of your neighbors put on bronze armor and run to sting him. He'll likely run around until reinforcements arrive (no one will stand with him for hours waiting for you), but if you've done your homework, it's not hard to deal damage. For example, go with another character and lead the walruses into his snekk. If you manage to undress him once, he won't come back.
Just in case the last part isn't fiction, it happened in the world 14 (or 15 idr).
But with pve disabled you won't have any options but cry to mods and clean up after naked alts.
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Re: 99% of PVP/permadeath woes are an onboarding issue

Postby MarcusXDead » Sat Aug 01, 2026 6:11 pm

Halbertz wrote:But with pve disabled you won't have any options but cry to mods and clean up after naked alts.

... Or just move logs away inside the claim, that works too. Takes less effort as well.
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Re: 99% of PVP/permadeath woes are an onboarding issue

Postby benisalt1 » Sun Aug 02, 2026 11:01 am

pvp is inherently a high cortisol event for majority of players, no amount of band-aids will fix that
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Re: 99% of PVP/permadeath woes are an onboarding issue

Postby vatas » Sun Aug 02, 2026 4:26 pm

benisalt1 wrote:pvp is inherently a high cortisol event for majority of players, no amount of band-aids will fix that

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Re: 99% of PVP/permadeath woes are an onboarding issue

Postby magnet » Mon Aug 03, 2026 12:14 am

use the gold sub money to hire someone to get loftar's ass in gear and make valhalla actually useful with bots you can train on

think about if, even Dwarf Fortress needed to hire Putnam to keep Tarn's autism in check
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Re: 99% of PVP/permadeath woes are an onboarding issue

Postby SnuggleSnail » Mon Aug 03, 2026 12:37 am

magnet wrote:make valhalla actually useful with bots you can train on


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