Optional PVP

[MadNomad]

seems pretty simple, how can devs say bullshit that trade > pvp while the game looks how it looks and all industry leads where it leads? and people who pvp are only interested in killing other people who pvp, and wont kill noobs until provoked

those 2 things rnt inherently related 1 is in regards to adding another server and 1 is about the balance of punishment in the current server r u lost or something

it has a huge impact on people who want to pvp, wouldn't really have that high on nabs r u lost or something

[beardhat]

The problem is this game is designed with PVP, or player interaction in general, in mind to solve a lot of issues that would have to be solved with arbitrary code and mechanics for a non-PVP game, it would be like redesigning the game from the ground up.

[ven]

These are all just meaningless guesses based on everyone's personal experiences with development. The only way to settle this is by actually doing a test server and comparing statistics:

I just want to apply the scientific method to it and see who is right.

[Valten21]

Avu seems so emotionally unstable I'm worried for him. Normal people shouldn't be so emotionaly invested into computer games, seek help friend.

[dafels]

splitting the playerbase means basically killing the game twice as fast not to mention all of the other extremely numerous problems that could arise in a haven world where there is no pvp its a trolls wet dream honestly

how is it going to kill the world? Both types of playstyle would get the best gameplay experience the game can offer according to their taste of playstyle instead of conflicting each other on one main server.

cuz there would be far fewer players to kill for the pvp players which means they would quit at an accelerated pace not to mention all of the pvp players that would quit cuz they were not hardcore enough to fight against the larger more powerful factions which will also work as an even greater deterrent to new people playing that server what u would be left with is a game with 1 dead server and a server that is pretty much dead and that runs a version of the game that the devs dont like which risks potentially having the devs lose motivation to make the game and then ud have all of the trolls that can now run around for free with no consequence cuz nobody can kill them not to mention this game has no end game content other than pvp

these are just your assumptions that have no real ground

[beardhat]

yeah good idea lets split the playerbase of an already microscopic game

then they should remove

nidbanes, crime debuffs, visitors debuff and all the other gay crap stuff

on the current server

those 2 things rnt inherently related 1 is in regards to adding another server and 1 is about the balance of punishment in the current server r u lost or something

They are related though, nidbanes, debuffs are there to punish murder and PVP in general, on top of the siege system (aka, no more palibashing, which I don't mind so much )

All those mechanics are to make player interaction more positive, without forcing it

[Undefined]

PvP is essential to the game in my opinion, however perma-death isn't. I'm sure we'd see more enjoyment of the game's PvP if people weren't so worried about losing invested characters before they can even begin to comprehend how to do it.
The barrier for entry into the world of Hafen PvP is massive, the learning curve is Pythagoreanly steep with the punishment for not winning your first fight being to have your character deleted.
No wonder several people have such a harsh view on the very idea of PvP in the game. I love PvP, I hate Hafen PvP.

[Aceb]

seems pretty simple, how can devs say bullshit that trade > pvp while the game looks how it looks and all industry leads where it leads? and people who pvp are only interested in killing other people who pvp, and wont kill noobs until provoked

those 2 things rnt inherently related 1 is in regards to adding another server and 1 is about the balance of punishment in the current server r u lost or something

it has a huge impact on people who want to pvp, wouldn't really have that high on nabs r u lost or something

People interested only in PvP can build themself walled arenas so even if there are scents, none will get outside without inside job.
Because there's A LOT alters who like to kill noobs without any provocation, just for fun, because they can. Now, they at least have to use shit alts for that which gives more possibilities to defend themself.

Big factions cried a tear surely.

[MadNomad]

yeah, killing nabs offers a lot of fun because its challenging and u get neat loot

[xdragonlord18]

seems pretty simple, how can devs say bullshit that trade > pvp while the game looks how it looks and all industry leads where it leads? and people who pvp are only interested in killing other people who pvp, and wont kill noobs until provoked

those 2 things rnt inherently related 1 is in regards to adding another server and 1 is about the balance of punishment in the current server r u lost or something

it has a huge impact on people who want to pvp, wouldn't really have that high on nabs r u lost or something

i was talking about the ramifications of adding another server you dip shit it affects everyone and has nothing to do with wether or not they should or shouldnt keep the nidbane and scent systems