Make palisade hand-bashable

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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby shubla » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:03 pm

boreial wrote:restating my preference on this matter, if the claim/s are out of authority then yes the palisades should be bashable, corresponding to their soak value, IE: lower the soak value the easier to bash since logically if the wall is not being taken care of, as is simulated by the claim coverage, then it is in disrepair and easier to damage.

if the Claims are just sieged down, then only walls actually damaged by the siege, should be affected (not sure if a claim down due to seige mechanics is different from a claim down due to no upkeep from LP gain of claim holder/village authority.) If it is different then I do not see an issue with treating the wall decay from authority being at 0 for both village and personal claims when the case is the wall is covered by both, or if only covered by 1 then the one covering it being the authority being the determining factor of whether a wall is bashable or not.

IF the mechanics of it are the same as siege then, NO, hand bashing should not be re-implemented since gaining entry though a well maintained wall does not make sense UNLESS your siege equipment is actually targeting the wall to initialize damage that can weaken it to the point where the damage COULD be continued by hand. such as if the soak remaining is 25% or less of full value.

Walls taken care of wont of course be bashable, if you have full shield claim and full authority, they will have to siege down the shield with traditional siege equipment first. Those being sieged can defend, but if they are unsuccessful in their defending efforts and the shield claim reaches zero. All their palisade-walls will become hand-bashable. Some strength would be needed of course, but not excessive amounts.

Potjeh wrote:Bashing on empty shield is fine, but hand bashing should never be able to damage the shield.

This is indeed the initial idea. Hand bashing shield would be too OP.
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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby blank » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:23 pm

i wanna say you could hand bash pali at 500 str wrld 7? it still took along time but it was possible
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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby MagicManICT » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:44 pm

blank wrote:i wanna say you could hand bash pali at 500 str wrld 7? it still took along time but it was possible


It was at 484 you started actually doing damage, assuming a sledge was used.
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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby Granger » Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:31 pm

I oppose anything that makes entering a base easier, as long the current siege meta of when we get in we must destroy everything, because we can exists. Should that be fixed I might live with pali- or even brickbashers, but not as long as it isn't.
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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby shubla » Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:12 am

Granger wrote:I oppose anything that makes entering a base easier, as long the current siege meta of when we get in we must destroy everything, because we can exists. Should that be fixed I might live with pali- or even brickbashers, but not as long as it isn't.

Yeah lets just disable all crimes!
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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby Granger » Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:44 pm

shubla wrote:Yeah lets just disable all crimes!

No, just have something that breaks the current boolean of 'not getting in' vs. 'leveling it completely'.
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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby shubla » Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:19 pm

Granger wrote:
shubla wrote:Yeah lets just disable all crimes!

No, just have something that breaks the current boolean of 'not getting in' vs. 'leveling it completely'.

You are assuming that every single raider breaks everything down from every place they raid.

In my opinion if you lose the siege, you deserve to get burnt down to ground. Although I highly doubt that everyone who raids does this. As destroying every single item and planting grass to pavements takes lot of time and is boring, if you arent raiding like your rivals place its pretty much pointless. People who have time and perseverance to do such things probably can go through few extra walls too.
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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby Granger » Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:46 am

shubla wrote:
Granger wrote:
shubla wrote:Yeah lets just disable all crimes!

No, just have something that breaks the current boolean of 'not getting in' vs. 'leveling it completely'.

You are assuming that every single raider breaks everything down from every place they raid.

No, just that there would be enough doing it for the lulz (or whatever) which would ruin the fun for to many.
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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby shubla » Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:57 am

Granger wrote:No, just that there would be enough doing it for the lulz (or whatever) which would ruin the fun for to many.

I think you are just opposing the idea because its posted by me
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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby sMartins » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:52 am

shubla wrote:I think you are just opposing the idea because its posted by me


That's fair enough to me :P
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