Mine Support Changes are Awful.

[tetradigem]

I'd have been fine with this if a cave-in did not cause high damage and long lasting wounds...

This. I have 3 concussions right now from mining and haven't gotten a single ore so far and now even if I did get ore and supports up I'd still get screwed over by upkeeping those supports.
At least add a shitty all wooden shoring for cave walls or something like real miners did.

stop. mining. non walls. until you have the ore to make supports, ONLY mine the wall tile, then IF its an ore tile, mine it. otherwise move on to another wall. and a concussion is 100% gone in less than a day. ive had quite a few this world so far.

[bmjclark]

If someone is botting this system then thats a good argument to change it.

No, it's not. If you keep changing everything until it can't be botted anymore there literally wont be a game anymore. Everything can in some way be botted if a client maker is clever enough to do it and it's not worth destroying every single aspect of the game over. We've literally had combat bots, does that mean combat needs to be changed? We've had bots that drink for you when your stamina gets low, guess we better remove drinking? We've had forage bots, guess we better add capchas to picking up herbs or some shit. What would you even do to prevent botting for mining? Going down a road to prevent botting is only going to make shit more tedious and at best be a minor speedbump in the road to automating it somehow anyways. It's a fruitless journey, and it makes the game worse.

Not to mention the fact that the effects of these bots are largely overblown. Yes, there are bots, no the big factions aren't out progressing every noob because they have bots. If every player got access to every bot in the game right now, little would change as far as power balance goes, your life would just be filled with slightly less clicking.

[Hrenli]

Next update captchas are going to be introduced to every ingame action...

[Granger]

Please keep 'bots' discussion to the already existing dedicated topics for that (which though already contain all arguments made here).

[Mafious]

A poll is needed, old support vs. New support. I believe most dedicated miners don't like the new system.

[budzilla]

These changes make 0 sense.

What is the point in mining if you use up more metal in supports than you are bringing in?

[Vigilance]

yeah now that my mine support is down to 6% i just built another on top of it and said whatever

i can't avoid mining cave-in tiles if they're ore-bearing. i've minesweepered to the ends of my sanity

[VDZ]

I just got one cave-in protected on my support

... don't?

We can discuss the ratio, but in principle I think it's very reasonable that minsupports don't give you the ability to just mine away willy-nilly, paying zero attention to what crazy caveins you're digging into. Build more supports if you want to be more careless.

You're missing the point of mine supports, particularly early game. I minesweeper my way into a vein until at some point I want to mine out a section that includes cave-in tiles. That's when I build a support so I can mine those. Having the game punish you for mining cave-in tiles with a mine support nearby (which is supposed to allow you to mine those tiles) defeats the entire point.

Forcing the minigame on people is a neat solution to get rid of all the alt and bot spam in cave levels.

As pointed out elsewhere, this does nothing against bots, and in fact bots should be better at the minesweeper minigame than actual players. This only punishes players.

When slimes got added there was also a lot of salt on the forums because peoples miner alts were trash throw away accounts with no effort put into them.

Getting severe wounds on an alt is not a big deal. Mining dangers are a lot worse for people mining on their main - even when I do have the stats to fight them, I don't have my combat gear with me when mining and can only hope to not get surrounded before I can run. If I fail at that, I'll be dealing with severe wounds on my main for a while.

I'd have been fine with this if a cave-in did not cause high damage and long lasting wounds...

This. I have 3 concussions right now from mining

You can run away during the cave-in and will likely avoid getting hit that way (not guaranteed, but it certainly reduces the odds greatly). I always keep one hand on my mouse while mining unknown tiles for this reason.

[wonder-ass]

at least reduce the cave in tiles... they are fucking everywhere.

[Vigilance]

at least reduce the cave in tiles... they are fucking everywhere.

those are probably baked during world gen and we're gonna have to deal with them )