Tide pools should count for quests

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Re: Tide pools should count for quests

Postby Omnipotent » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:16 pm

Ysh wrote:
Omnipotent wrote:Fundamentally there is no difference between the two.

Fundamentally there is difference that net is man made tool that you are using and tide pool is not.,

Except I didn't make the net. And I still reap the rewards. You're completely misunderstanding this. Joe random made the net without any affiliation to me. He placed it in the water. Much like world gen put the tidepool on the beach. Just because Joe random made a net doesn't mean one should fundamentally work differently than the other.
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Re: Tide pools should count for quests

Postby Ysh » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:17 pm

Omnipotent wrote:I was implying Joe random placed the net in the water. If he doesn't place the net in the water how is he going to get fish... Talk about semantics.

I will try to avoid making too many leap of logic by imagine what kind of thing other men could be implying. This is to avoid situation where I will argue against some thing that other man do not believe in first place. It would be waste of efforts.
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Re: Tide pools should count for quests

Postby Omnipotent » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:18 pm

Hasta wrote:
Omnipotent wrote:I was implying Joe random placed the net in the water. If he doesn't place the net in the water how is he going to get fish... Talk about semantics.


So if joe random placed the net in the water and I raise it joe gets credit for fishing quest and I don't? :<

This is precisely what I'm saying. It makes no fucking sense. If I catch a fish from a net I caught it. If I catch a fish in a tidepool I didn't catch it? What?

There is no 'extension'. Only a person that gathers it, or a person that didn't. It should make no difference what you caught it in.
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Re: Tide pools should count for quests

Postby terechgracz » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:19 pm

But human didn't created firebrand, he just took 2 branches from the ground. And also you didn't prove that fishes are caught by tidepool, it might be that opening the tidepool actually creates fishes inside, so no fishes actually could enter tidepool because there is no possibility to do so.
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Re: Tide pools should count for quests

Postby Ysh » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:20 pm

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Ysh wrote:
Omnipotent wrote:Fundamentally there is no difference between the two.

Fundamentally there is difference that net is man made tool that you are using and tide pool is not.

Except I didn't make the net. And I still reap the rewards. You're completely different misunderstanding this. Joe random made the net without any affiliation to me. He placed it in the water. Much like world gen put the tidepool on the beach. Just because Joe random made a net doesn't mean one should fundamentally work differently than the other.

Fundamentally there is difference that net is man made tool that you are using and tide pool is not. This ''Joe Random'' makes the net. This ''Joe Random'' is a man. ''World Gen,'' which in universe is some thing as ''Mother Nature,'' is making tide pool. ''Mother Nature'' is not a man.
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Re: Tide pools should count for quests

Postby Omnipotent » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:21 pm

terechgracz wrote:But human didn't created firebrand, he just took 2 branches from the ground. And also you didn't prove that fishes are caught by tidepool, it might be that opening the tidepool actually creates fishes inside, so no fishes actually could enter tidepool because there is no possibility to do so.

Good example. Schrodinger's cat similarity. Who's to say the fish didn't get generated by the person opening the tidepool. Cannot be proven or disproven
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Re: Tide pools should count for quests

Postby terechgracz » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:21 pm

But is a man manmade? If it's not man made then we shouldn't ourselves be extension of ourselves, we shouldn't be able to catch anything then.
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Re: Tide pools should count for quests

Postby Ysh » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:21 pm

Omnipotent wrote:
Hasta wrote:
Omnipotent wrote:I was implying Joe random placed the net in the water. If he doesn't place the net in the water how is he going to get fish... Talk about semantics.


So if joe random placed the net in the water and I raise it joe gets credit for fishing quest and I don't? :<

This is precisely what I'm saying. It makes no fucking sense. If I catch a fish from a net I caught it. If I catch a fish in a tidepool I didn't catch it? What?

You can use net to catch fish. By the time you take fish from tide pool, it was already caught by tide pool.
Omnipotent wrote:There is no 'extension'. Only a person that gathers it, or a person that didn't. It should make no difference what you caught it in.

In one case fish is caught, in other case fish is only taken. This is big difference for answer question of catch!
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Re: Tide pools should count for quests

Postby Omnipotent » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:23 pm

You still need to catch the fish in a tidepool. It's not just sitting there waiting to be taken. Look at how large that tidepool is

The only difference from normal fishing is you don't have to use a tool to gather it.

I didn't make the lake, the fish was sitting there waiting to be taken. Why does that count?
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Re: Tide pools should count for quests

Postby Ysh » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:24 pm

terechgracz wrote:But human didn't created firebrand, he just took 2 branches from the ground.

Firebrand is tool crafted by this man using two stick. Firebrand is not same thing as two stick on the floor. Will two stick on floor ever light a fire without the man using them as tools? No.
terechgracz wrote:And also you didn't prove that fishes are caught by tidepool, it might be that opening the tidepool actually creates fishes inside, so no fishes actually could enter tidepool because there is no possibility to do so.

This is not how tide pool works. Tide pool is area which is covered in water during high tide when waters are higher. Once tide recedes, there is hole type area which catches some water so it can not return to the low tide waters position. If there is fish in this area, he too will become caught when this tide recedes
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