Make PVP opt-in only

[Nightdawg]

I'm all for short experimental worlds. Let's have a 3-6 month world where PvP is opt in and see how it does. Who shows up? Who doesn't?

That's a way to fix the nVidia crashes lmfao

[strpk0]

You know for a fact that none of those things are ever going to be looked at or changed in any meaningful way, you just offered them 100 tweaks instead of 1 easy, immediate solution.
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The amount of effort it would take to allow people to enjoy the best of both worlds would be incredibly low. One easy, simple solution.

Would it though? I think you're willfully ignoring the myriad of issues and required changes/adjustments that would arise from making PvP optional. Compared to fixing the broken progression this game currently has and removing some bloat from it, I think if anything the far more unrealistic option here is what you suggest. Do you really think jorbtar are going to step in each time someone early world says "hey this guy is blocking my cave entrance with alts, please kick him out so I can play", or alternatively that they're going to spend their weekly patches fixing those edge cases and griefing scenarios?

That being said I agree that having a short world with PvP optional would probably be the best idea, so people can put this idea to rest and realize why it wouldn't work. I really am confused as to why some even consider it an option (are we playing the same game? lol). I also agree that what people likely want when they suggest "disable PvP/make it optional" is actually private servers and not anything to do with PvP.

The idea is only to make it optional.

You know damn well if PvP is made optional it might aswell be removed, with penalties when being KOed/lost gear/wounds/death if the other person or you are mraging, nobody will willingly toggle the switch on unless they don't have any idea what they're getting into or they're just using a throwaway alt.

Plus, what are you going to do when the person you agreed to fight runs away in a snekkja being driven by someone with PvP turned off, or people with PvP turned off bring horses to support someone you're fighting or block you in, etc. It just multiplies what already is a million terrible edge cases that are nearly impossible to fix. Knowing and having experienced what haven PvP is like, if its made optional I would not even attempt to participate in it, because I know for a fact its just ripe for abuse and dumb scenarios that only don't work at the moment because it is not optional.
Making PvP optional is just the worst of both worlds, even worse than outright disabling it.

[Willberfollower]

While I understand how pvp seems unfun, and the cause of people quitting. A lot of you are missing what it actually brings to the game, that sense of tension and uneasiness when you run into another player. It keeps you on you toes at all times. Instead of mindless running around, building and farming you have a actual challenge you have to look out for a unpredictable and unknown enemy that exists in the world and you don’t know when, where or if at all he will strike. I remember playing the game back in 2012 (lost that account and my email) for the first time with my brother I died to a boar and ants, then a player but didn’t quit. Eventually got my stats back up and me and my brother killed some kid from a top level village. They then hunted us down and sieged our base and killed us in a 10 v 2. Guess what my reaction was? This games f****** dope.

[DoctorCookie]

I mean just make the game singleplayer private servers at this point. My thought process behind pvp has always been u can grief ALOT harder with out pvp than with pvp.

How would you know? You have never built anything. You have simply piggybacked on what others have built and then commenced to talk shit when you were behind a protected faction or "group of slaves" as you called them back in the day. You were not this opinionated when I carried your unconcious body out of beaver dungeon, or when I carried your unconcious body away from the mammoth that had knocked you out. I have not one percent experience in the pvp aspect of this game that you do. But that is more experience than you have at every other aspect, including the hat in your sig. I do not know if pvp optional is the way to make this game stick. I do know that the current community will destroy this game and it will not stick if the devs stand pat. The OP is a guy I never thought I would agree with based on his other stances. Coming from him I think we should listen,

[SnuggleSnail]

I mean just make the game singleplayer private servers at this point. My thought process behind pvp has always been u can grief ALOT harder with out pvp than with pvp.

How would you know? You have never built anything. You have simply piggybacked on what others have built and then commenced to talk shit when you were behind a protected faction or "group of slaves" as you called them back in the day. You were not this opinionated when I carried your unconcious body out of beaver dungeon, or when I carried your unconcious body away from the mammoth that had knocked you out. I have not one percent experience in the pvp aspect of this game that you do. But that is more experience than you have at every other aspect, including the hat in your sig. I do not know if pvp optional is the way to make this game stick. I do know that the current community will destroy this game and it will not stick if the devs stand pat. The OP is a guy I never thought I would agree with based on his other stances. Coming from him I think we should listen,

IMO, what gives haven its charm is the conflict. Where else could you negotiate or trade something like a pirate hat to avoid scenes like this:

[DoctorCookie]

What gives haven charm may be conflict. What gives a sandbox longevity is realistic conflict. What gives a game legs is not an equal playing field but an equal chance to have fun no matter when you start or what your time investment is. Certainly people should be able to grief and make others uncomfortable if that is their desire. That has to be mitigated by in game mechanics if you want a persistent population. A few worlds ago we had factions that fought each other, we had a community fair, we had a population that all these recent patches may have kept in and we might have had a longer, more populated world. The truth is that the old guard has moved on and what we are left with is bad operators that have no motivation to make this a better game. The OP, again, has an idea that I am not in on 100, ut it is better than all the fake pvp fixes that have come from a very small group. Very small.

[mulamishne]

A few worlds ago we had factions that fought each other, we had a community fair, we had a population that all these recent patches may have kept in and we might have had a longer, more populated world.

It sounds like the issue isn't with pvp, but the fact there wasn't a reason for the factions to keep fighting each other (or ability to, nvidia crash turned off ALOT of pvpers this world). Relying on something like the CF for player retention is awful practice because it shouldn't be the responsibility of a player to get people to keep playing this game, but it should be fun in game mechanics instead.

The truth is that the old guard has moved on and what we are left with is bad operators that have no motivation to make this a better game.

Seems to me that TONS of old legacy players are still active, who are you saying is left stifling game growth?

-Shittalking Bleh-

That's my brother you rat, next time I'll siege you myself

[wonder-ass]

I mean just make the game singleplayer private servers at this point. My thought process behind pvp has always been u can grief ALOT harder with out pvp than with pvp.

How would you know? You have never built anything. You have simply piggybacked on what others have built and then commenced to talk shit when you were behind a protected faction or "group of slaves" as you called them back in the day. You were not this opinionated when I carried your unconcious body out of beaver dungeon, or when I carried your unconcious body away from the mammoth that had knocked you out. I have not one percent experience in the pvp aspect of this game that you do. But that is more experience than you have at every other aspect, including the hat in your sig. I do not know if pvp optional is the way to make this game stick. I do know that the current community will destroy this game and it will not stick if the devs stand pat. The OP is a guy I never thought I would agree with based on his other stances. Coming from him I think we should listen,

i don't care lmao thanks for the hat cya next world

[DoctorCookie]

That's my brother you rat, next time I'll siege you myself

You identified yourself as part of a very small crew with way too big a voice. I did not call him out, I stated facts. You can call me a rat but your a toadie, lol. I will accept rat.

[riisinkerääjä]

I mean just make the game singleplayer private servers at this point. My thought process behind pvp has always been u can grief ALOT harder with out pvp than with pvp.

How would you know? You have never built anything. You have simply piggybacked on what others have built and then commenced to talk shit when you were behind a protected faction or "group of slaves" as you called them back in the day. You were not this opinionated when I carried your unconcious body out of beaver dungeon, or when I carried your unconcious body away from the mammoth that had knocked you out. I have not one percent experience in the pvp aspect of this game that you do. But that is more experience than you have at every other aspect, including the hat in your sig. I do not know if pvp optional is the way to make this game stick. I do know that the current community will destroy this game and it will not stick if the devs stand pat. The OP is a guy I never thought I would agree with based on his other stances. Coming from him I think we should listen,

i don't care lmao thanks for the hat cya next world

Wonder Ass we all know your a good for nothing Shit haven player. just like snuggle snail you have no back bone leaching off people for hats and to boost your char. PS how is your mothers basement still full of black mold?