Make spawning more evenly spread

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Re: Make spawning more evenly spread

Postby SnuggleSnail » Thu Oct 31, 2024 3:26 pm

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The last however many months there have been 80 people online. Probably half of them are afk/bots. MAYBE 10% of them are outside their pali at a time. Keep in mind how fucking big this map is. It'll take you 6-12 hours to move from the SE to the NW corner. Go ahead and place those dots on the map in a way that's even approaching reality, and it'll be very clear how unlikely you are to see a single other person in an MMO.
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Re: Make spawning more evenly spread

Postby TheServant » Thu Oct 31, 2024 3:37 pm

most people in this game don't want to meet others (i wonder why) so i dont see where lies the problem. Also steam release big influx of players so..
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Re: Make spawning more evenly spread

Postby SnuggleSnail » Thu Oct 31, 2024 3:40 pm

If the game would be better singleplayer then ask for singleplayer
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Re: Make spawning more evenly spread

Postby Dawidio123 » Thu Oct 31, 2024 3:41 pm

SnuggleSnail wrote:The last however many months there have been 80 people online. Probably half of them are afk/bots. MAYBE 10% of them are outside their pali at a time. Keep in mind how fucking big this map is. It'll take you 6-12 hours to move from the SE to the NW corner. Go ahead and place those dots on the map in a way that's even approaching reality, and it'll be very clear how unlikely you are to see a single other person in an MMO.

Also consider the fact that all those ppl that DON'T want to see other ppl in an MMO (those who would love a private server/single-player) are still better off with a central spawn if they just think for a bit and consider the option of fucking off to a different continent. I lived on the east continent this world and honestly it was practically empty except for a few bases here and there, if the spawns were random those other continents would be equally filled with players so regardless of if you wanted or not you would run into others as much as any other continent (and probably quite a bit less than currently on the central one, on average).
It this another one of the "WELL NEW PLAYERS DONT KNOW ABOUT IT BEING ADVANTEGOUS TO THEM SO ITS NOT"? Sure, ig. But I don't think the decisions should be made based on ppl's lack of knowledge, if we really cared about that there would be a proper ingame tutorial and mechanics explanation instead of the few "tutorial" quests. Which btw. should be a fucking thing before a steam release, but ig ppl whispering into dev's ears with promises of going big didn't think about it.
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Re: Make spawning more evenly spread

Postby The_Blode » Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:27 pm

SnuggleSnail wrote:If the game would be better singleplayer then ask for singleplayer

I did that in this very thread and got told it would erase support for the game and ruin everything
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Re: Make spawning more evenly spread

Postby noindyfikator » Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:28 pm

TheServant wrote:most people in this game don't want to meet others (i wonder why) so i dont see where lies the problem. Also steam release big influx of players so..


Because of how easy it is to beat a player who has less stats than you, and most ppl play the game for fun instead of tryharding
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Re: Make spawning more evenly spread

Postby SnuggleSnail » Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:41 pm

The_Blode wrote:I did that in this very thread and got told it would erase support for the game and ruin everything


I kindof assume the people who think they want to play on their own would get bored pretty fast if they actually could. Kindof like how I want to loot good gear but if I could just spawn it in with dev mode it wouldn't be fun anymore. Happy to admit I might be wrong. Maybe they should do singleplayer.

Either way, central spawn still enables people who want to practically never see another person to do so. Literally half of the continents were so empty this world they didn't make it onto public maps, which from my perspective is absurdly bad but w/e. People to enjoy socializing stay on the central continent, people who don't leave seems like the best compromise to me.
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Re: Make spawning more evenly spread

Postby Jons » Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:57 pm

I too do not like the hearthland filled with hearthfires.

It's a bit late but, what about simply a random spawn?
Maybe near those chest trees, and an advanced quest to build your hearthfire?

Thingwalls are great to introduce you to their functioning though
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Re: Make spawning more evenly spread

Postby Granny » Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:00 pm

loftar wrote:I did consider just having Thingwall spawning on at launch and then turning it off after a day or so. Might that be a happy medium?


Random spawn is the best. It gives the more casual players and the pve-folks a possibility to find a place to settle before they get fed up and leave.
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Re: Make spawning more evenly spread

Postby h3r0 » Fri Nov 01, 2024 1:15 am

People not wanting to spawn next to a million others has nothing to do with wanting to play alone. It's just annoying as fuck. It's always been annoying, and has practically ruined several worlds because I literally gave up on trying to find a goodd spot to settle after spending several days searching in other worlds. The entire island I was on was completely over populated last world and I didn't know how to get out so I just played in an overpopulated area.

We shouldn't be pandering to the world being too empty once it's already dead anyway. Besides, if the server even survives, sparsity should not be a problem this time.

Everyone travels anyway. Even if somebody settles in a random spot somebody will come across them. I've never seen a spot that wasn't clearly inhabited in the last few worlds. It's frankly annoying.

Random spawn please. Especially with how many players there will be. The server is unlikely to survive anyway. Let's not make it a shit fest full of people and chaotic griefing and nobody having an actual HAVEN to call home.

People can see the player count. And it's going to be big on steam. Let people seek out others if they actually spawn alone and want to, as they naturally would want to do. There is also the forum and steam for people to get together.

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