Njce job killing the game

[joojoo1975]

Stuff about Botting and Whatnot

What you are speaking about has been talked. . . to death

I feel for ya bro. But your words are going to fall on deaf ears.

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[MightySheep]

If you read that as victimhood, you're not very good at reading. If you don't know of botting clients, you don't know enough about Haven or its history to comment on it in a substantive way.

Since you've been here a while, I expect you're insincere, and not very much good for anything at all.

I've played with most of the top 'faction' players in big villages. Whats your source of intel? This forum? Please dont act like youre talking from a position of authority when you have 0 clue- youre just regurgitating the dumb shit clueless coping noobs like joojoo say.

Bots are -irrelevant-

Literally completely irrelevant. They make some tiny miniscule difference to this game. It's always the same top groups fighting every world and nobody bots so how else am I supposed to interpret your whining about "falling behind" because of "automation" other than victim copium? Youre either ignorant of the facts or youre just trying to invent reasons why you cant compete. Maybe snail group runs some farm bots etc but they arent exactly known for good stats or gear so where is the effect of bots?

This meme is already so boring just learn to play and stop crying. Frankly youre better off as a hermit for progressing your character than in a big village at this stage. Its really only later on with the metal industry that you even need a big village for and you can probably just trade for that stuff at a market.

Talking of "killing game" its like you guys have some weird agenda to try kill the game with misinformation or else idk why there is so much propaganda about shit you clearly have zero facts about.

[Rebs]

If you read that as victimhood, you're not very good at reading. If you don't know of botting clients, you don't know enough about Haven or its history to comment on it in a substantive way.

Since you've been here a while, I expect you're insincere, and not very much good for anything at all.

I've played with most of the top 'faction' players in big villages. Whats your source of intel? This forum? Please dont act like youre talking from a position of authority when you have 0 clue- youre just regurgitating the dumb shit clueless coping noobs like joojoo say.

Bots are -irrelevant-

Literally completely irrelevant. They make some tiny miniscule difference to this game. It's always the same top groups fighting every world and nobody bots so how else am I supposed to interpret your whining about "falling behind" because of "automation" other than victim copium? Youre either ignorant of the facts or youre just trying to invent reasons why you cant compete. Maybe snail group runs some farm bots etc but they arent exactly known for good stats or gear so where is the effect of bots?

This meme is already so boring just learn to play and stop crying. Frankly youre better off as a hermit for progressing your character than in a big village at this stage. Its really only later on with the metal industry that you even need a big village for and you can probably just trade for that stuff at a market.

Talking of "killing game" its like you guys have some weird agenda to try kill the game with misinformation or else idk why there is so much propaganda about shit you clearly have zero facts about.

Agreed with everything here. Bots are not killing the game, players can always do things any bot can do and better, there are small client scripts that help with minor things but the "botting" everyone is talking is maybe done by a few people.



W16.1 has not changed massively the biggest things for most people is the cave claim exploit, which was mostly just a mistake they re-introduced last world. its clearly an exploit that people are just crying they can't do anymore.
The travelling is also a interesting change but the effects of it hasn't been felt yet.
I know the x2 speed is massive but I assume this is because they plan to restart the world every 3/6 months and of course there are issues with just flat increasing the speed of everything but that is why its "experimental" right.
I think the worst thing that's happened is radio silence for a half a year, saying they were sorry for the lack of communication and then giving us a new world without communicating the changes that they should really have told us.

The real issue here is no one is willing to take the hits and retry. They lose their shitty day 1/2 cave claim base and give up instead of going "Umm what did I do wrong, maybe I shouldn't have settled in a cave by a high traffic river" and try again. This shit happens to everyone and those willing to take the punches and move on get better at the game, those who don't cry on the forums and blame it on anything but the mistakes they made, like botting on a less then a week old world...

Every single one of these Farmville's think haven is a game that it isn't and when they get slapped they don't change their mind and assume its the games fault and its delusional. I repeat anything a bot can do players can do better and faster. Scripts are likely the biggest dif, click a button, fill all water skins automatically, click a button, auto equip gear etc. which I do not consider bots and a lot of these scripts should just be added to base, auto drinking was for example.

[joojoo1975]

How can that guy play since 2011 but now all of a sudden pvp is a problem? And keep mentioning "10+ Yr losers" if playing 10 yrs is ur loser veteran benchmark why are still struggling so much that ur this mad? The bots and exploits aren't real u just failed at survival in this survival sandbox game. Don't invent things to blame. It's supposed to be a hard game it's not for everybody some ppl cant handle pressure.

I'm in top pvp village every world I don't know any bots. The farmer farms manually, the miner mines manually. I think I saw a bot to afk in a thicket and produce ticks that's about it. I think I have highest stat in my village I don't have bots. In fact not even just bots ppl aren't that tryhard in general. Nobody is even ppl in other "top" villages. Nobody cares that much anymore if they ever did.

As for exploit there's always some minor thing that gets blown up with forum melodrama like Loftar accidentally forgot to delete snails pneck that he let him use after helping bugtest valhalla last world. Some water thing the world before. Its always snail and its always pretty irrelevant.

I havent got a clue what automation ur refering to and Id love to know who Im supposedly falling behind because I aint seen them in any world, could they possibly be a figment of ur imagination?

Then after you continue on he will change his talking points to this

I've played with most of the top 'faction' players in big villages. Whats your source of intel? This forum? Please dont act like youre talking from a position of authority when you have 0 clue- youre just regurgitating the dumb shit clueless coping noobs like joojoo say.

Bots are -irrelevant-

]Literally completely irrelevant. They make some tiny miniscule difference to this game. It's always the same top groups fighting every world and nobody bots so how else am I supposed to interpret your whining about "falling behind" because of "automation" other than victim copium? Youre either ignorant of the facts or youre just trying to invent reasons why you cant compete. Maybe snail group runs some farm bots etc but they arent exactly known for good stats or gear so where is the effect of bots?

This meme is already so boring just learn to play and stop crying. Frankly youre better off as a hermit for progressing your character than in a big village at this stage. Its really only later on with the metal industry that you even need a big village for and you can probably just trade for that stuff at a market.

Talking of "killing game" its like you guys have some weird agenda to try kill the game with misinformation or else idk why there is so much propaganda about shit you clearly have zero facts about.

He does this all the time. he did it in the last discussion we had about bots. Continue on with him and he will just mock more and more and whatnot but he never really produces any relevance.

[MightySheep]

Isn't the onus on you, the person making grandiose claims, to "produce relevance". Behind all the dull spam you have nothing. You've never been in a good village so your conspiratorial imagination hype it up like some mysterious highly organised automated elite thing but reality is more like a bunch of lazy half assed players and some autistic miner/farmer. Baton streamed every day in felix village last world its just hunting, fishing, make sausage, pvp. That's 90% of the game. Where exactly do bots fit in? Even the fishing part is only first couple of weeks. It would be cool if a village as tryhard as your imaginary version ever did exist. It's possible in future but unfortunately that's not present reality. Although I'm still not sure what you would even bot.

Get some new material it's so boring having to explain the same old shit this many times

[pagsiu]

the usual jojosperging

He does this all the time. he did it in the last discussion we had about bots. Continue on with him and he will just mock more and more and whatnot but he never really produces any relevance.

He's right, though. I've been in top villages and have seen autists manually butchering hundreds of pigs, manually farming grid-wide farms, watering shitloads of pots and making cheese. The only bot I've ever seen is the animal checker bot, which is no longer relevant since the node shift update. I tried bots in legacy and they fucking suck, drain out all enjoyment from the game.

edit: oh, and the pepper bot

[SpacePig]

Okay, how do people kill dozens of boars by the 30th hour of the game? They don't even take them, they kill them for the skills.
And don't say it's wolves, wolves don't leave corpses with quality 12.

With obsidian knife and 30+ str you have enough dmg to penetrate it's armor. Boar is slower then players, so defence doesn't really needed.

Well, theoretically, yes, but in practice, you still have to kill a thousand foxes or badgers to get Quick Barrage, and then another 10 boars to get OKnock from them, then you have to get at least 30 melee, even though you already have at least 30 in hand-to-hand combat. So that doesn't seem plausible.

It's much more plausible that you'll use sideswipe from a boat and a script that automatically puts you in a position where the animal can't attack you, since doing it manually is too complicated for it to work quickly.
So, that's a 100% abuse of the bug.

[Nictos]

Well, if the problem isn’t bots, I have made a whole other case of what might be the actual issue in another thread.

[Kaios]

Get some new material it's so boring having to explain the same old shit this many times

He is right though about you performing the same song and dance every time this conversation gets brought up. I truly want to believe you're just being disingenuous and aren't actually that oblivious with regard to custom client creation and usage but you have kept up the act for so long that I'm starting to think you are really that clueless.

Okay so 30+ year old men spend hours manually butchering animals in a video game, plus the hours they just spent obtaining those animals. Who does the farming? Who does the rest of the industry? How many hours are they spending on all of that when everyone knows for a fact that all they really want to do is run around sprucap stomping? Do they not have to work or something like wtf.

[SnuggleSnail]

I think there are tryhard botters but the overlap between the tryhard botters and PVPers is pretty small so it ends up not being that impactful

in most cases 1-2 autistic neets in your village would be better than having or not having some bots