P2P plan

[Headshot]

It is 6-10$ a month, that is ok for a game that has a lot more potential than any AAA title.

Try more, maybe senpai notice you.

[Vexus]

...a game that has a lot more potential than any AAA title...

Really? Are you crazy? Sorry if I look offensive, but really...a game with arround 1000 active players should have a lot more potential than any AAA title? I don't like FF14 but I'd give it a try if it was not p2p, I love F2P games with a vanity item shop, and a lot of P2P games are becoming F2P with a vanity item shop, but yeah, this game should have a lot more potential than The Elder Scrolls Online, Final Fantasy 14 or ANY other P2P game...yeah, if you say so...(As I already said, FF14 monthly fee is 9.99$, the same as this game)

No, he is not crazy. If you don't see it, you need to play the game a bit more. There is depth here that goes way beyond what current AAA games give you. You want an arena based, temporary-until-server-restart game? Go play Ark.

Permanency makes things matter. All your actions, actually matter here. That is much more potential than being the 768000th person to complete Quest154.

[burgingham]

The devs are aware of the criticism. You people just did an aweful job of voicing your demands in a reasonable way especially in the first hours after launch. So they are a little disappointed.

As they have stated multiple times now (seriously just filter the forum for their posts, you can do that yourself...) they will be following a wait and see strategy for osme time now and then decide if anything needs to be changed with the payment model.

Also, as usual it is a very loud minority raging on the forums. Most people I am in contact with are completely fine with the payment model. It is 6-10$ a month, that is ok for a game that has a lot more potential than any AAA title. They just need to step up their game in terms of service (server stability etc. are a must now) and we are good.

OMG this is just PERFECT.

- Devs are crying coz u guys r pitchforking (we did nothing wrong)
- We announced this already
- The ones raging are just some stupid minority (my friends supports me)

lol u serious? Have u even read the posts?

They are angry coz this P2P system was not announced. Who the fuk reads all the comments on forum? You really think some stupid comments on forum is a "announcement?"

I assure you I have read more of those hate posts than I would have liked to. People do not seem to be able to voice their opinion in a reasonable fashion anymore. Why can you not have a civil discussion instead of writing all caps and calling the devs dirty jews?

I also am not sure why you assume that forum posts equal majority?

And for the last friggin time: Mods are not devs ("we). We do not work for them, do not get paid by them, do not get any special treatment. I am just voicing my opinion. So do not mix that up please.

The devs did not say they did nothing wrong. They are saying for them this was a reasonable way to go. I can agree with you that the way it was announced was not perfect. But for now they are going with it and if it proves to be unsuccessful they are going to change it.

Maybe you just try your 48 hours for now and then decide wether it is worth paying for.

Though I can see in the way you write that you just want to lash out a bit more. Keep it civil please.

[burgingham]

It is 6-10$ a month, that is ok for a game that has a lot more potential than any AAA title.

Try more, maybe senpai notice you.

Werll that is my opinion. If you like your cookie cutter MMO better than this, then why are you here?

[LonelyGrinder]

The devs are aware of the criticism. You people just did an aweful job of voicing your demands in a reasonable way especially in the first hours after launch. So they are a little disappointed.

As they have stated multiple times now (seriously just filter the forum for their posts, you can do that yourself...) they will be following a wait and see strategy for osme time now and then decide if anything needs to be changed with the payment model.

Also, as usual it is a very loud minority raging on the forums. Most people I am in contact with are completely fine with the payment model. It is 6-10$ a month, that is ok for a game that has a lot more potential than any AAA title. They just need to step up their game in terms of service (server stability etc. are a must now) and we are good.

I can assure you the payment model is NOT fine. If you are charging big mmo money you need to be providing big mmo service. Going years before any content is added, exploits and bugs not fixed and perhaps most noticeable of all the server stability is all very annoying but forgivable in a free game, not fixing any one of those things while charging the kind of money they are asking is completely unacceptable. Potential or not, if you pay for a triple A game you get a game you can play, not even EA or whoever is greedy and out of touch enough to make people pay monthly to play their alpha.

[Atamzsiktrop]

The devs are aware of the criticism. You people just did an aweful job of voicing your demands in a reasonable way especially in the first hours after launch. So they are a little disappointed.

Oh yeah. And we aren't disappointed? Basically everyone was really hyped, had plans for the game and it turns out you can only play for 48 hours. Haven and Hearth wasn't pay to play so noone expected this one to be. Devs could've atleast warned us before (im sure if they discussed it with the community before the launch, there wouldn't be any problems with it - majority of people I know would pay like 5$ a month without a problem, if the game turned out to be good). 10$ for a month is still way too much for an alpha game, with (probably) little content in this state. Haven 1 alone had content for like 6-10 months. After that time it was pretty much endgame already (in terms of, everything is easy to get, people have high stats or completely stop playing).

Also, as usual it is a very loud minority raging on the forums. Most people I am in contact with are completely fine with the payment model. It is 6-10$ a month, that is ok for a game that has a lot more potential than any AAA title. They just need to step up their game in terms of service (server stability etc. are a must now) and we are good.

Oh yeah, minority. That's why from 2000 people playing it went down to 600? That's why 90% of people I know is really upset and sees this payment method bad? It's the majority of us that are disappointed and feel tricked.

And yes, this payment system is bad.
1. People who pay are given an advantage:
a. they can easily use the Playtime system against people who aren't paying;
b. they can buy items and sell them for ingame stuff (Game time-token).
2. It's overpriced - 10$ for a game in this state and almost exactly the same as the last one per month is too much. Lower this by 3$-5$ and it would be 10 times better.
3. You have to pay for something that was free and was supposed to be free (Haven 1) and available to everyone.
4. Playtime system is unclear and seems rather stupid.
5. Free account is basically useless, 12 hours per month is nothing.

If the devs would be willing to discuss it with us and change it a bit, so it fits both us and them, it would be great. But for now they just seem to watch how the player counter is going down and down.

[kemil88]

Okay I will make it easy
1) Hello, I'm someone who did never played HnH, but I heard that Salem is almost the same game, what are the big differences? Oh, I should pay to play this or play for free Salem? Okay, I know what game I'm going to play now.

2) Numbers speak clearly, if 10 milions players play a game and 1000 play another game, which one do you think is better?

And a question, if someone buy 1 year of playtime and then they make the game F2P with microtransations, will they refound him/her?

[jorb]

I can assure you the payment model is NOT fine. If you are charging big mmo money you need to be providing big mmo service. Going years before any content is added, exploits and bugs not fixed and perhaps most noticeable of all the server stability is all very annoying but forgivable in a free game, not fixing any one of those things while charging the kind of money they are asking is completely unacceptable. Potential or not, if you pay for a triple A game you get a game you can play, not even EA or whoever is greedy and out of touch enough to make people pay monthly to play their alpha.

You don't have to accept anything. You act as if saying that it is "unacceptable!" is somehow going to change the fact of it.

The game will never become "triple A" (whatever that means) without making money.

Take it or leave it.

[jorb]

I mean.... I'd love to have 99% uptime and fix bugs instantly. That requires resources, though, for which reason we are asking our players to provide us with some of those.

[Burzan]

I can assure you the payment model is NOT fine. If you are charging big mmo money you need to be providing big mmo service. Going years before any content is added, exploits and bugs not fixed and perhaps most noticeable of all the server stability is all very annoying but forgivable in a free game, not fixing any one of those things while charging the kind of money they are asking is completely unacceptable. Potential or not, if you pay for a triple A game you get a game you can play, not even EA or whoever is greedy and out of touch enough to make people pay monthly to play their alpha.

You don't have to accept anything. You act as if saying that it is "unacceptable!" is somehow going to change the fact of it.

The game will never become "triple A" (whatever that means) without making money.

Take it or leave it.

You're a really terrible businessman.