Types of Punishments for Botting

[Kalacia]

Auto curio is low level automation. I would hardly class that as a bot...

Define the difference between auto digging to level ground. You press "dig" once, then leave your char till you run out of stamina.
That is automation within game. If this was not in the default client, would we call this is botting?

But as i have mentioned before, in this thread. There is no clear definition of what a bot is in this community.

Are we looking at any level of automation that is not included within the game client? Or automation that circumvents a a set amount of human interaction? Or something that needs no human interaction at all?

So far all i hear about botting is that its bad, people don't like it. But there is no definition of it, define botting. Then we can set community guide lines around what levels of "botting" or automation we will accept as fair play. We can then put this to Jorbtar and see what they think/say.

The same technology and programming that people use to bot, would be the same used to generate NPCs. Maybe this is the reason we do not have NPCs in an open client game. (ill go alter my own NPC thread with this, as its just dawned on me this...)

[DDDsDD999]

you don't understand... it's comlicated... it has been discussed... trust me...
yeah we get it

Clearly not, as it's still being discussed

lol

[APXEOLOG]

Wow, burgi's pets angry at me again

You'd probably be quite surprised how many people really don't make use of this. Obviously I can't say I know for sure but I can tell you that I only made use of auto curio one time over the entire course of this world and didn't do it again after because I just couldn't be bothered to make the curios and get the XP. I guess that's something your bots would have helped you with too, though.

You'd probably be quite surpsired but i'm not even playing. And i've never used curio bots. Actually in any of the worlds i've never had more then 200 UA or 200 any stat. Because only noobs think that they need OMG-SUPER-IMBA-CHARACTER for PvP or raids.

Clearly the idea of sportsmanship is totally lost on him. Reminds me of them kiddies that play FPS-es with wallhacks and aimbots and think that somehow makes them better players rather than worse.

You spend your time to grind in hnh. I spend my time to make bot to grind instead of me. I don't see how i become better player then you in this case. I just use my skills.

[Potjeh]

Stealing accounts would also be use of one's skills, so is that kosher too?

[APXEOLOG]

Stealing accounts would also be use of one's skills, so is that kosher too?

Depends on what you define as 'stealing'

[LadyGoo]

Is that a new Highgarden fashion now? Following us and shouting "Botters, abusers, nuke-nuke, death to all Russians!"?

[Kaios]

Wow, burgi's pets angry at me again
You'd probably be quite surpsired but i'm not even playing. And i've never used curio bots. Actually in any of the worlds i've never had more then 200 UA or 200 any stat. Because only noobs think that they need OMG-SUPER-IMBA-CHARACTER for PvP or raids.

none of that surprises me actually, nobody is playing and curio bots are useless I do agree with you

[lachlaan]

I'll make my stance clear, and say that I'd perhaps respect a botter that makes his life easy and makes macros for his tasks while still keeping an eye on his robot slaves. Hell, i'd find it impressive to see someone essentially playing starcraft with 4 windows open that he tabs through and sends SCV bots to do tasks. What I do instead find tasteless is fully automating it, and that's where the line is drawn between putting a one time effort into making the bot in the first place and then having it work for you forever. Furthermore one person might put the effort in once and somehow justify the resources gained by 50 instances of said bot used by his entire village. Now I don't care how hard you want to defend your right to spend your effort coding and get rewards that way, the input/output is simply too imbalanced. So no, your ability to code doesn't give you the right to push it as far as starting a starcraft game, quitting then spectating and letting the AI control your faction. The fact that you can do that only reflects on the game's lenient nature and Jorbtar's lack of resources in fixing that to any extent. Hopefully they find a way to fix it, or at least make the gap between botters and actual players smaller, because if you can let something work for 50 hours constantly after 5 hours of coding then seriously just code 50 hours and make a tiny fraction of a better haven-like game Cause you sure as hell ain't playing Haven anymore.

[APXEOLOG]

Hopefully they find a way to fix it, or at least make the gap between botters and actual players smaller

Now you have stat caps. Praise J&L!

[Potjeh]

Stealing accounts would also be use of one's skills, so is that kosher too?

Depends on what you define as 'stealing'

Well, mostly it's done by inserting keyloggers into custom clients and giving them to unsuspecting victims, but for the sake of the argument let's say you can hack into the server and pull all user data. Or hell, wipe the server clean, I guess that means you win the game?