Massive Progression Overhaul - Destroy Bots

[Robben_DuMarsch]

If only saying it takes so little time rendered it so.
I invite you to itemize the list of "chores" your group needed to perform, the items produced, and the time spent on each chore.

[Avu]

Trolls are not instant death, you can outrun them easy on 3rd speed + they have really bad pathing through mined tunnels and you can get away pretty easily. You're one of the shitters that don't even know how game mechanics and how the game exactly works and people like you dare to shit up threads spreading the bullshit further, just as you are overexaggerating on botting in general, you're talking like it would be done massively, when actually it is being done by 1/30 of the community's population at peak. Most of the people that play on the server and that don't play competitevely don't give a single shit about botters. If jorb&loftar would ban and nuke botter's characters without mercy that would be a really good punishment that would stop botting for the most part and I don't think there would be a will for people to develop botting any further. I can agree on small and efficent policing, but if they have to invest alot of time to fight bots, it would be a waste.

I can also agree on one thing, that the game features, like farming&silkmaking&crafting and other features that you have to do on routine should have some minor quality of life improvements to make the game more casual. Also, I don't get why baddies like LadyGoo and APXEOLOG hasn't been banned from the game yet, they have a mentality of "you MUST bot to be good at the game", these people are cancer, and this is a indicator itself that they are bad even when they have years into the game. We didn't bot except for the small scripts that are integrated into the amber(they should be integrated into default client too) and still were the best statted group in the game, it's just the mentality of shitters that think that they MUST bot to be good and competitive which has also been proved wrong many times before.

So you pretty much agree with me except the part where I mentioned trolls that weren't even in the game when I last played but you say they can be outrunned on speed 3? Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't mining eat up your stamina? And speed 3 requires it? Been a while so I could be wrong but either way it was just an example. A lot of issues are tolerated because botting is there to take up the slack. Once that is handled to some extent people will complain enough that jorb and loftar will have to fix it. You know balance. And 1/30? really? Nobody bots farming? or soil moving or? mining or whatever? Even if the impact is lower than an alt factory that is still the difference between having fun and not. The guys that don't do it probably don't and the guys that do it have an unfair advantage in their interactions with those that don't. And in this game interactions usually end up with someone dead. Probably the guy that didn't have time to mess around with combat since he had to do carrots by hand. As for most of the people on the server? How about that, how many people are playing these days? Didn't bother checking but my guess is not that fucking many (many reasons, botting, dickheads and diverging vision from devs are mine).

And I never asked total elimination of bots because I'm not a fucking retard and if you bothered reading my posts instead of going apeshit over trolls you'd see I've said it before. Removing bots is impossible. Making their use risky and at least partially profitable is on the other hand achievable.

Also do note that you being better stated than the botters means fuck all if you also didn't have better quality gear. And even if you did you're probably highschool/college kids that don't really go to class instead of folk with jobs and god forbid kids.

And you said you got nuked? Must have been for being great guys eh? The question is will you do it again? And maybe they should have banned the accounts too.

[Frostburn]

Sure and each time they are caught botting they lose the account and the money for the subscription effectively converting botting into a source of money. Other games have done it in the past. Diablo 2 used to make tons of money each wave of botting bans since all the botters had to rebuy the game. It won't stop botting and it won't stop alts but some good will come of it. And once botting has a cost real balance can start happening. Someone mentioned instant death trolls? Maybe those things shouldn't you know be instant death. They maybe should be slow and only agressive if attacked or you spend too much time getting away. People will still fight them regardless.

I do not see it much good because dev has not start taking precidence of removing accounts or removing subscription yet. They are afraid that if they shoot and aim wrong, then there will be repercussion.

[jorb]

you're not efficient about it.

By some arbitrary and imagined standard of efficiency, I'm sure we're not.

allowing players to spar without damaging armor.

Was fixed a long time ago, cat.

[dafels]

What is a waterflask and what does the drink button do when you click on it? It is only common sense to get a bit of mc or ua on your character to be able to survive few hits it will hit you while you're drinking in case it manages to catch you while you have low stamina or tank some hits in general, does the troll attack you immediately after you spawn it? I think the case is not.

I'm talking about the massive botters like LadyGoo in general that likes to have their things fully automated and boter that don't require any user input at all so they could dominate not some little scripts that will farm a area or mine a area out for you, these scripts should be a part of the default client and should not be considered botting.

[Avu]

you're not efficient about it.

By some arbitrary and imagined standard of efficiency, I'm sure we're not.

allowing players to spar without damaging armor.

Was fixed a long time ago, cat.

Great to hear how long did it take you thought valhalla crap included.

Btw I really hate when people just take one line of text and comment on that and ignore everything else. Usually it's the easy wins too (if forum posting was a game).

[jorb]

The possibility space for this game is several infinities, yet you see no problem with the method of pointing at single items and asking why we haven't done those in particular, and when you do get them it was never fast enough.

Why haven't we done wolves? Or freeform building? Or a deeper weapons system? Or more fleshed out quests? Or...? There are infinities of things we haven't done, and that will always be the case. Measuring our efficiency in terms of what hasn't been done is meaningless.

We look at some 90% of incoming bug reports, have similar percentage in uptime, deliver patches weekly or thereabouts, and going by post count I am the second most active poster on the forums as well, not to mention that I play the game several hours a week, and have a pretty decent hermitage. Why don't you take a couple of laps around the industry and report back to me your findings of other, more efficient I'm sure, two dev MMOs, and we'll compare and contrast.

I didn't comment on the rest of it because I saw nothing else I wanted to comment on. It all boils down to "you suck", and, fine, whatever, I don't care.

G'day.

[LadyGoo]

The majority of the people who are "persisting" and yelling are mostly the ones that don't play, test the game and contribute nothing for the C&I forum.
Just saying.

[Robben_DuMarsch]

The majority of the people who are "persisting" and yelling are mostly the ones that don't play, test the game and contribute nothing for the C&I forum.
Just saying.

The vast majority of HnH players no longer play.
Are you suggesting that the developers ignore what may make former players return as active players, and cater only to those that still play?

If you have an issue with someone's proposal, it would be more productive to address the substance of their statements rather than attack their person.

[Kaios]

Why haven't we done wolves? Or freeform building? Or a deeper weapons system? Or more fleshed out quests? Or...? There are infinities of things we haven't done, and that will always be the case. Measuring our efficiency in terms of what hasn't been done is meaningless.

You have to admit though, your updates turn out a lot better when you focus on working on/improving existing mechanics instead of that time being spent on random stuff that usually hasn't been asked for anyways.