Make palisade hand-bashable

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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby DaniAngione » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:32 pm

Since this is the third patch in a row that includes this, I'll give me little input.

I'm not against the idea, the only thing I'd say is that I think this is the kind of change that can only be made when a new world is started, because it basically goes over months and months of people's planning and works in a single, unexpected patch.

So yeah, I'm all in for it because it would actually make Brickwalls more or less valuable again, etc, etc...
But I would leave it cooking for W11. Applying it to W10 wouldn't be nice, many people have based all their security schemes, strategies, base building (and a lot of underground, unclaimed structures) on the belief that Palisades can't be hand-bashed and the backlash from this sudden change - especially to people that might be sleeping or busy when the patch hits, wouldn't be fair nor wise in terms of holding to your playerbase.

Now, when W11 hits, feel free to apply that change :D
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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby Granger » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:46 pm

DaniAngione wrote:But I would leave it cooking for W11. Applying it to W10 wouldn't be nice

This. Or at least give a reasonable warning time upfront, like a month or two.
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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby Dixel » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:49 pm

DaniAngione wrote:Since this is the third patch in a row that includes this, I'll give me little input.

I'm not against the idea, the only thing I'd say is that I think this is the kind of change that can only be made when a new world is started, because it basically goes over months and months of people's planning and works in a single, unexpected patch.

So yeah, I'm all in for it because it would actually make Brickwalls more or less valuable again, etc, etc...
But I would leave it cooking for W11. Applying it to W10 wouldn't be nice, many people have based all their security schemes, strategies, base building (and a lot of underground, unclaimed structures) on the belief that Palisades can't be hand-bashed and the backlash from this sudden change - especially to people that might be sleeping or busy when the patch hits, wouldn't be fair nor wise in terms of holding to your playerbase.

Now, when W11 hits, feel free to apply that change :D


+1
specially people that are starting out and might not have made claims on their palisades, or not covered the palisades with the claim T_T i have seen way too many recently....

though im against any action that makes raiding easier T_T im still traumatized by W3....
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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby Thaydi » Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:50 am

DaniAngione wrote:Since this is the third patch in a row that includes this, I'll give me little input.

I'm not against the idea, the only thing I'd say is that I think this is the kind of change that can only be made when a new world is started, because it basically goes over months and months of people's planning and works in a single, unexpected patch.

So yeah, I'm all in for it because it would actually make Brickwalls more or less valuable again, etc, etc...
But I would leave it cooking for W11. Applying it to W10 wouldn't be nice, many people have based all their security schemes, strategies, base building (and a lot of underground, unclaimed structures) on the belief that Palisades can't be hand-bashed and the backlash from this sudden change - especially to people that might be sleeping or busy when the patch hits, wouldn't be fair nor wise in terms of holding to your playerbase.

Now, when W11 hits, feel free to apply that change :D


+1 on this. A lot of designs would be made obsolete and exploitable if implemented now. A reset is needed to change anything as gamebreaking as this.
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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby DDDsDD999 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:10 am

It really doesn't change much either way. It just makes bases that only did palisades take 2 less catapult shots to break into. If the shield is at 0, the place is already at anyone's mercy. And if someone bothered to siege a shield to 0, I don't think they'd be deterred by setting up a couple catapults to deal with bubble walls.

If FEPs were balanced so people didn't have a couple thousand strength, palibashing would take like 30 minutes, which would save you about 30 minutes waiting for a catapult.
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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby blank » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:51 pm

DDDsDD999 wrote:It really doesn't change much either way. It just makes bases that only did palisades take 2 less catapult shots to break into. If the shield is at 0, the place is already at anyone's mercy. And if someone bothered to siege a shield to 0, I don't think they'd be deterred by setting up a couple catapults to deal with bubble walls.

If FEPs were balanced so people didn't have a couple thousand strength, palibashing would take like 30 minutes, which would save you about 30 minutes waiting for a catapult.

this^ it really wouldn't matter..
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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby Wonderful » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:13 am

+1 But only if the shield is down and you have enough strength
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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby ChildhoodObesity » Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:11 am

ya this ddds guy has a point u know this wont affect anything!!! i cant believe ppl srsly think that someone who just sieged for 14+ hours wont build 2 more catapults to just break the wall SMHING or if they dont build 2 more they can just wait 1 more hour!!! IT NEVER AFFECTED ANYTHING!!!!!! i dont even think its worth discussing 3 patches straight ITS NOT A BIG DEAL!!!
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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby blank » Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:46 am

ChildhoodObesity wrote:ya this ddds guy has a point u know this wont affect anything!!! i cant believe ppl srsly think that someone who just sieged for 14+ hours wont build 2 more catapults to just break the wall SMHING or if they dont build 2 more they can just wait 1 more hour!!! IT NEVER AFFECTED ANYTHING!!!!!! i dont even think its worth discussing 3 patches straight ITS NOT A BIG DEAL!!!



thank you. so let it happen. you can start doing damage at 1000 str, yes?
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Re: Make palisade hand-bashable

Postby ChildhoodObesity » Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:59 am

i dont even think there needs to be a minimum str requirement i think your strength should just affect how long it takes to bash!
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