Сritique: Hafen and Hearth development

[Headchef]

To (loosely) quote from a Game Design Dojo podcast: There has never been a review like "pretty good game, but needs more 'waiting around'."

Without saying anything about the hourglass or Haven in particular, I'm not sure that's actually true. Both storytelling and gaming require pacing and rhythm.

Removing hourglass everywhere entirely would mean chaos

[jorb]

Removing hourglass everywhere entirely would mean chaos

It serves a very legitimate purpose in preventing irreversible actions from being volatile, yes. I could be tempted to agree that the game takes too much time to play, but I'm not sure the hourglass itself is really the primary offender, reasonable adjustments to certain particular actions somewhat aside.

[Headchef]

Removing hourglass everywhere entirely would mean chaos

I could be tempted to agree that the game takes too much time to play

Well to be honest what the game does is involve you in it in such a way that you want certain things, which cost time..

But logically world domination costs more time than being a hermit taking everything at your own pace...

Then again weak are at mercy of strong... But how true is this really when you can alt-vault everything and perma-death being sort of revised..

So eventually people want ''more'' (base design/farm sizes/higher q/more volume) but with real life also going on 24 hours in a day become too short..

Eventually I think being modest is the best aid in time management for Haven.

So how will Jorb implement that people do not put too much hay on their own pitchfork and burn themselves out, is the question

[Sevenless]

Farming is too important right now for food.

I've been doing the hermit thing, and I see what people mean. We have 3 players, 1 doing 4-6 hours a day, 2 doing 2-4 hours a day. Total playtime of 10ish hours a day for the "village" lets say? I spend 2 hours a day farming on average maybe and I feel like I'm doing just the bare minimum to support us (animals/flour wise). That's something like 1/5th of every hour played in my village spent on farming (the plant kind not even talking about milking animals yet).

Hunting used to play a much bigger role in food production. The satiation system has made a lot of sausages unappealing. Now pies reign supreme, so even hunted related foods now have farming attached to them.

[tigerlrg245]

Farming is too important right now for food.

I've been doing the hermit thing, and I see what people mean. We have 3 players, 1 doing 4-6 hours a day, 2 doing 2-4 hours a day. Total playtime of 10ish hours a day for the "village" lets say? I spend 2 hours a day farming on average maybe and I feel like I'm doing just the bare minimum to support us (animals/flour wise). That's something like 1/5th of every hour played in my village spent on farming (the plant kind not even talking about milking animals yet).

Hunting used to play a much bigger role in food production. The satiation system has made a lot of sausages unappealing. Now pies reign supreme, so even hunted related foods now have farming attached to them.

Obvious solution is meat pies!

[Sevenless]

Obvious solution is meat pies!

Meat pies are the problem They involve 2 farmed ingredients. Before, STR relied on cheese and big bear bangers. Now the satiation system nerfed both of those and introduced very sexy meat pies.

Also worth noting that animal variety in hunting has gone up, but most of the animals aren't overly valuable for their food.

[boreial]

Also worth noting that animal variety in hunting has gone up, but most of the animals aren't overly valuable for their food.

This is absolulty true, most "hunting" is now done solely for harvesting combat moves, even now when I go out I see more carcasses that are just left untouched than should be normal for Qhunting.

[fmfk86]

To (loosely) quote from a Game Design Dojo podcast: There has never been a review like "pretty good game, but needs more 'waiting around'."

Without saying anything about the hourglass or Haven in particular, I'm not sure that's actually true. Both storytelling and gaming require pacing and rhythm.

Removing hourglass everywhere entirely would mean chaos

It serves a very legitimate purpose in preventing irreversible actions from being volatile, yes. I could be tempted to agree that the game takes too much time to play, but I'm not sure the hourglass itself is really the primary offender, reasonable adjustments to certain particular actions somewhat aside.

I think pacing and rhythm is important, it's great to have a mix of actions that require fast input where it's almost a reflex, other times you need to do some planning ahead etc. But in my opinion what happens in heaven is often times plain waiting. I'd say the difference (and what matters most) is if the player is actively engaged in the game. If someone plays a sniper in a wargame, he might not do very much in terms of input, but he knows that he will have to react very fast and it will have a big impact, therefore he will be focused and 'in the game' the whole time.
Chopping a tree and knowing I have to wait x seconds, drink water and wait another x seconds for that, then repeat it 3 times, and knowing that this will play out the same 99.9% of the time, my thoughts are usually somewhere outside of heaven.

I've been telling people about this game for years, and while most are quite enticed of the concept of this game and want to give it a go, I don't think anyone has ever played it for more than an hour.

[Robben_DuMarsch]

Curious: Is the dev team currently working on something to increase the staying power of a Haven world's life cycle?

[Sevenless]

Curious: Is the dev team currently working on something to increase the staying power of a Haven world's life cycle?

The big focus they've mentioned is client optimization.