Credos Need Urgent fixing

[Kaios]

Yes you will spend less time on the tasks with a better developed character. Its pretty neat.
You can even buy abyssal insights or get them with your group yourself to skip credo quests.

You must have missed the sarcasm there dude I was actually disagreeing with you entirely, there is absolutely no logical sense in considering something not to be an issue because it gets "easier" with progress. Well no fucking duh. Killing spruce caps also gets easier as you get stronger.

None of my complaints are about the speed at which credos should be completed and you clearly have not been reading or understanding the posts if that is what you think. If it takes me a week to complete a quest because I need to have some specific experience event happen, that's fine, where I have an issue is with all the players that are constantly abandoning every single difficult quest and still making more progress.

[azrid]

Seems you forgot what I even replied to in the beginning. Its fine we can go over it again so you remember.
You claimed someone starting 6 months in is going to have just as hard of a time with quarryman credo as someone who started early world. This is not true.

You can go ahead and tell me in which post after that you started with your sarcasm.

[Kaios]

I see, so as a new player coming in to a developed world I'm simply supposed to buy better stuff than what players in a new world would start with to skip over the issues that those same players had to deal with initially and somehow the underlying issue suddenly becoming more manageable makes it no longer an issue at all... Okay...

This is sarcasm. I am taking the position that the issues need to be resolved regardless of whether or not a new player coming in to the game somehow realizes to trade for these specific things that will help them for a mechanic they know nothing about. I hardly know anything about it myself and while that may be due to a lack of familiarity with these mechanics I still know what I’m doing for the most part and yet struggle to achieve a level of advancement that other players are capable of.

You’re criticizing me for having trouble advancing and for pointing out issues with mechanics that other people are circumventing rather than making the argument for why it’s fine how it is. And no, “you will get stuff later on that helps” is not really a good argument for leaving in glaring issues.

[azrid]

Just making sure here

If I am a new player hermiting or starting a new village 6 months in to a world and I am doing quarryman credo and need to visit a lvl 4 cave that is still going to be just as difficult as it was for players in the first week too.

You don't believe this anymore?

“you will get stuff later on that helps”

I would also like to add completing credos will be easier for a person getting help from a group rather than a person playing or doing credos solo.
Thats going to be the case for anything really. Highly organized groups will have an advantage over you.

You’re criticizing me for having trouble advancing

I should do so because you abandoned finding marble quest

I hardly know anything about it myself and while that may be due to a lack of familiarity with these mechanics I still know what I’m doing for the most part and yet struggle to achieve a level of advancement that other players are capable of.

Don't be frustrated because you feel like a noob again. We have all been there at least once. You will learn how to play in no time.

[Kaios]

Don’t know why you’re just trying to troll now when I’m attempting to have a serious discussion on this topic. I still feel I am right regarding new players coming in to the world but you are either unwilling or unable to understand my perspective and so we will have to agree to disagree on that point. I never abandoned my mine marble quest I said it took over a week before I found marble and now I have to find black ore.

Anyways, I’m still not getting what the overall point of your argument is except maybe trying to annoy me for no reason with passive aggressive responses. If you are trying to convince me of something you are not doing a very good job of it.

Your signature is very apt at the moment.

[azrid]

I am not trolling. I am simply expressing my genuine feelings towards you. I hope you learn the game again.
Then you will know how to find marble and black ore and anything else your heart desires in less than a week.
Originally I was correcting your error that you seem to be unable to see now since I annoyed you.

[Kaios]

Not trolling but makes zero attempt to address the main issue which is abandoning of quests allows for faster progress than sticking with the difficult quests and spending more time on them and instead focuses on one part of what I said. It’s debatable that quarryman should even be giving you quests that force you to go L3 or deeper instead of when you get to Miner credo.

Finding most of these things or completing most quests has nothing to do with ability and everything to do with time. You are aware that continents have different resources and resources available in varying quantities as well, correct? At least you should be if you claim to be as knowledgeable as you are acting.

[azrid]

I was simply correcting a false statement you made. You deflected by saying noobs don't know these things and then admitted you don't even know the mechanics too well.
I would say you are trolling but I believe you are just trying to hide away from the embarrassment.

Its important when asking for a mechanic to be changed to accurately represent how the difficulty level of it changes as time goes by. The game cannot be balanced on early game alone as jorb and loftar have said they want a game that doesn't have to be reset.

Not every post has to be a for or against argument to your specified statement. I can make an informative posts and let the reader and devs decide based on all the information given what needs to be done.

[Kaios]

Obviously I understand how a majority of the mechanics work I have been playing this game for years, it doesn’t mean I know everything though and certainly not as much regarding mechanics that were introduced in the last year or so and that was exactly my point that even an experienced player can struggle with these so I think you’re giving a little too much credit to new players that may only have as much or less time than me to put in to the game. Plus I’m usually with at least a few dedicated players even if I’m not in a village.

My only hindrance is lack of time to spend on abandoning quests so I deal with the timegate. Jorb has quite clearly stated he wants there to be a timegate involved but has allowed for an option to circumvent this timegate through further grinding so already you have conflicting mechanics and then on top of that there is no equality in this option given it can effect every player differently with the same level of penalty regardless of what stage or credo they are on, the one exception being if you abandon the very first quest and then have to spend LP to start the credo again.

All your posts so far have been addressing one specific statement, it’s just the wrong one. So if I said okay you are right and new players have an easier time than we do does that mean you’ll actually go ahead and address the heart of the issue now or are you just going to continue insulting me for struggling to complete credo quests? Because I honestly don’t care one way or the other if you agree with me on that point or not I still stand by it and I gave my reasons for doing so.

Why is it so wrong of me to want to be able to advance effectively? Everyone wants to feel useful in their group and right now I lack certain qualities that would make me a more useful and productive member and the ONLY thing stopping me from being able to contribute as much as others is the credo system. I don’t have time to spend on questing all day, I do things like mining not to complete credos/quests but because I want to be helpful and I hate the fact that I have to choose between selfishly advancing my own character in exchange of activites that benefit the group as a whole. You keep talking as if these credos matter so much in the late game but lets face it, they matter more now when stats are lower and their bonuses are actually something to be desired. Eventually, myself and everyone else will reach a point in the game where these bonuses become negligible in effect and ultimately serve little purpose. I already want to avoid doing them whenever I can, I don’t know why anyone would feel like a system that forces you in to doing activities that you either don’t want to do or keep you from contributing towards a group effort is anything but bad.

Now you get a wall-of-text for your efforts, enjoy.