Development Headsup: K/O-mechanics, Archery Towers

[loftar]

So, what reason is there for a ward to get removed against stuff that just KOs, besides needless unexplained nuance in a very volatile system. Besides fuck the noobs that don't know every single aspect of the system?

While I see your point, the only alternatives I can see would be much more complex, rule-wise, and it is precisely because the system is fairly important that I feel that it is important to have simple rules for it, so that you don't lose it "at random" at some point you didn't expect to.

[pppp]

its already proven that death is very bad for the games player count w11 has proven this.

It has? How?

I just moved to playing EvE (blame MagicMan for that) and the first observation is the death is extremely cheap compared to Haven, meaning character does not lose skills at all but most equipment is lost. But on the other hand basic brawling equipment is extremely cheap so a person losing everything can grind back to the point being relevant on some pvp level within one day. This may turn into pay2win but the balance is set so low level pvp is very popular. Something that is unimaginable in Haven, people gather to wander for fights, assuming they will actually die and lose their all equipment because that will cost them fraction of resources. Sometimes equipment is handed out to let total noobs join just for more brawling.

[widelec_szatana]

No KO protection at all, just make death less severe. inherit 75% of stats instead of 45

I just moved to playing EvE (blame MagicMan for that) and the first observation is the death is extremely cheap compared to Haven

depends on what you fly

[Chebermech]

So if this was implemented, people who pvp a lot still won't die enough to make this affect them, they will never lose their characters and will always have enough numen for a ward, while casual players will eventually die. If you want to increase the amount of deaths in pvp and make newbies suffer much less, remove the KO shield all together and make people pay numen price after they inherit an ancestor on a new character, do the burial, and then make sacrifices to the numen altar to get the rest of the stats and skills, aka restoring 100%. That way newbies can work their way up after dying to get back to where they were, and titan fighters will die more often, and death will still be as meaningless to them as it is with the system you propose, apart from having a new name that people will not have saved, and an empty kinlist. Maybe make some sort of wound or a pvp cooldown like bleh has suggested after you inherit 100% of your character.

[wonder-ass]

No KO protection at all, just make death less severe. inherit 75% of stats instead of 45

i mean at that point just dont make them lose any stats. the concept of losing stats after death is unhealthy for the games longevity. people quit when they die this is a fact.

[Ozzy123]

No KO protection at all, just make death less severe. inherit 75% of stats instead of 45

i mean at that point just dont make them lose any stats. the concept of losing stats after death is unhealthy for the games longevity. people quit when they die this is a fact.

It might be unhealthy for the games longevity but there are many other mechanics that are, it can't be too casual or the game will lose it's spirit, just losing some stats but way less than now would be good, losing nothing would be stupid

[DDDsDD999]

So, what reason is there for a ward to get removed against stuff that just KOs, besides needless unexplained nuance in a very volatile system. Besides fuck the noobs that don't know every single aspect of the system?

While I see your point, the only alternatives I can see would be much more complex, rule-wise, and it is precisely because the system is fairly important that I feel that it is important to have simple rules for it, so that you don't lose it "at random" at some point you didn't expect to.

Just make it so if you take damage after getting KO'd you're protected by the ward, i.e. when the ward is actually useful. I don't think that's complicated.

[wonder-ass]

No KO protection at all, just make death less severe. inherit 75% of stats instead of 45

i mean at that point just dont make them lose any stats. the concept of losing stats after death is unhealthy for the games longevity. people quit when they die this is a fact.

It might be unhealthy for the games longevity but there are many other mechanics that are, it can't be too casual or the game will lose it's spirit, just losing some stats but way less than now would be good, losing nothing would be stupid

losing a 20 gilded hermine is pretty fukin huge. but i get what you mean.

[Astarisk]

Would also like to say that you have no reason not to have a ward active all the time for the sole reason of technical issues. You never know when an internet or computer issue will pop up.

[goosebreeder]

Sounds rather naive and primitive, but what if:
1) No rage, no protection, no magic.
2) Give each character +3 or +2 lives (NES style) after a certain time spent in the game (for example, one week of real time).
3) After KO, the character loses 1 life (no matter where, how, or from what it was KOed) and it is forced to travel to the hearth fire.
4) 0 lives = death.