THE Boat trip

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Re: THE Boat trip

Postby SnuggleSnail » Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:46 am

Potjeh wrote:Nah, if that coracle guy was piloted by anyone he'd still be dead because knarr would get to him before he could get to shallows. On the other hand if getting hit by entire knarr crew at once wasn't a thing he would've been able to make it to shallows.


I would argue an experienced player wouldn't be that far from shore in a coracle under normal circumstances
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Re: THE Boat trip

Postby bitza » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:02 am

watch the video again. at 0:02, the guy on the canoe is spotted. at 0:05, he's knocked out in the water - no chance of recovery, guaranteed death. like i say, it's one thing to get knocked out and get your fox hat and fishing pole took, but to lose a character in literally 3 seconds with no chance of recovering the body is kinda fucked up, whether they're a noob or not. and if they were even 1 tile in the deep water, it would have been the same outcome.

so far i think potjeh has had the best idea on how to change this
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Re: THE Boat trip

Postby MagicManICT » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:11 am

bitza wrote:watch the video again. at 0:02, the guy on the canoe is spotted. at 0:05, he's knocked out in the water - no chance of recovery, guaranteed death.

Sooo... nerf knarr speeds? :twisted:
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Re: THE Boat trip

Postby Glorthan » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:18 am

bitza wrote:watch the video again. at 0:02, the guy on the canoe is spotted. at 0:05, he's knocked out in the water - no chance of recovery, guaranteed death. like i say, it's one thing to get knocked out and get your fox hat and fishing pole took, but to lose a character in literally 3 seconds with no chance of recovering the body is kinda fucked up, whether they're a noob or not. and if they were even 1 tile in the deep water, it would have been the same outcome.

so far i think potjeh has had the best idea on how to change this

Potjeh's idea doesn't solve the issue. Will we need a person to make an knarr archery bot to kill people as well, for that interim solution to be scrapped?

You don't even be needing to touching someone to spam them with arrows, and the shooting time is very low.
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Re: THE Boat trip

Postby graouh » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:22 am

Okay you are a coder, and can destroy the game of noobs, but do you have to do it ?
You look a lot like those who destroyed you earlier for those sprucecaps.
I mean, blocking some noob so that he drowns for no reason, dude that's fucked up. Please get some mental healing you are sick.

Edit : man if you play this game, I bet that you like it. Now you are just ruining it. Think about it... You really didn't have to drown noobs to make your point - which I validate if you weren't such an asshole.
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Re: THE Boat trip

Postby ubersheva » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:26 am

make combat cooldowns shared between everyone in a vessel.
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Re: THE Boat trip

Postby terechgracz » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:44 am

graouh wrote:Okay you are a coder, and can destroy the game of noobs, but do you have to do it ?
You look a lot like those who destroyed you earlier for those sprucecaps.
I mean, blocking some noob so that he drowns for no reason, dude that's fucked up. Please get some mental healing you are sick.

Edit : man if you play this game, I bet that you like it. Now you are just ruining it. Think about it... You really didn't have to drown noobs to make your point - which I validate if you weren't such an asshole.


You're obnoxious. Playing open pvp game is enough reason to kill.
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Re: THE Boat trip

Postby vatas » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:48 am

graouh wrote:Okay you are a coder, and can destroy the game of noobs, but do you have to do it ?
You look a lot like those who destroyed you earlier for those sprucecaps.
I mean, blocking some noob so that he drowns for no reason, dude that's fucked up. Please get some mental healing you are sick.

Edit : man if you play this game, I bet that you like it. Now you are just ruining it. Think about it... You really didn't have to drown noobs to make your point - which I validate if you weren't such an asshole.

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Re: THE Boat trip

Postby ErdTod » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:53 am

graouh wrote:I mean, blocking some noob so that he drowns for no reason, dude that's fucked up. Please get some mental healing you are sick.


That is actually a valid point. There were no reason to drown people, demosntarting that you can KO in 3 seconds is enough to prove that Knarr combat is broken...
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Re: THE Boat trip

Postby mvgulik » Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:25 am

Not boat-combat issue related.

If one can setup N number of alt's + boat, one could have easily also created some muck-up targets as well. Instead of using unasked/unwilling participants to one' s experiment.
If one says to have complained about something in private, and want to make a point about not being taken serious (in one' s personal view). One should include the actually text of those complaint to show how one did the complaining. ("ie: boat combat sucks, fucking fix it (or I will ...)" vs something else)
If one has a real concern about some game mechanic one could have started a dedicated (and serious) topic on it, and flush it out there. (instead of complaining about it only when it happed to you).

Slapping a "for a(/the) greater good!" is a historical way to justify actions that where knowingly at the cost of others. Making it by definition a good indication of some morality lacking aspects.
(ie: the lazy way to justify something that one knows one is executing poorly, but one it to lazy, or indifferent, to do it differently because of overwriting personal priorities. (ie: hardly a classic Trolley_problem) )

I wonder how many of the shubla's used method supporters would still be so positive/supportive of it if they would have been one of those unwilling participants.

(I wonder how many western consumers would still be in support of using China as cheap product supplier for the economical "greater good", when China's influence is starting to effect them in less positive ways. Although, seeing how the WHO(World Health Organization) is already China infected, it seems a bit late for that.)
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