P2P plan

[jimrod]

Waiting warmly for the inevitable private server that will be up in the next week (confirmed) using the superior old art style and not charging outlandish prices for a buggy, laggy, down 60% of the time java mess.
You could have made this a one time payment and nobody would have bat an eye, but in a game where you spend the majority of your time waiting, doing nothing, for a curiosity to finish researching so you can buy much needed skills, there's no way I'm paying any amount of monthly charges. It isn't fucking happening.

Talk about a fuck up to top all other fuck ups.
Gonna piss myself with laughter when the initial free test period is up and that userbase plummets to double digits.

how do we know when its up/ where to find it? /v/?

[rezal]

Jorb, I'm just going to speak up for a ton of people who I know are either lurking here or are getting truly angered over recent events here. This game you've made has been indeed a source of a ton of fun, great events and happenings, and all that jazz. But you have to realize that now-a-days, people aren't willing to pay lodsamone for something

So what is it that you are angry about? The fact that we aren't giving you the game for free?

Seems like a strange thing to be upset over.

I would say we're rather upset about the fact that you hid it away from us and kicked us in the face on day one while your previous games were free, so we all assumed this one will be too.

If you made a thread on forums saying that it will be p2p about a month ago or so you wouldn't have so many mad people here right now. Is it so hard to understand?

10-15$ for something that rarely gets updated (looking at HnH of course), with awful servers and random bugs that ruin your game is way too much. Would YOU pay 10-15$ to beta test a game monthly? I highly doubt that.

You're also forgetting that most of the people who played HnH were either eastern european, russian or south american and I can guarantee you we don't have the money for this.

[therealmaze666]

Jorb, I'm just going to speak up for a ton of people who I know are either lurking here or are getting truly angered over recent events here. This game you've made has been indeed a source of a ton of fun, great events and happenings, and all that jazz. But you have to realize that now-a-days, people aren't willing to pay lodsamone for something

So what is it that you are angry about? The fact that we aren't giving you the game for free?

Seems like a strange thing to be upset over.

This isn't about not getting it for free. It's about your archaic monthly fee crap. There's a reason 95% of MMO's besides the big few have dropped subscription fees. It doesn't work, and nobody likes it. It makes you feel like you have to play each day, otherwise you're wasting money. Nobody wants to be in that mindset when they're playing.
I'd have bought this game for as high as say £40, if I could buy it outright without having to worry about paying each month, and I'm sure other people would.

Drop the fucking subscription shit.

[jorb]

no its strange you would charge so much for a game thats not even near as polished as old HnH

Um, durr? The game is quite obviously infinitely more polished than the old H&H ever was, or could ever hope to be.

[Grable]

Jorb, I'm just going to speak up for a ton of people who I know are either lurking here or are getting truly angered over recent events here. This game you've made has been indeed a source of a ton of fun, great events and happenings, and all that jazz. But you have to realize that now-a-days, people aren't willing to pay lodsamone for something

So what is it that you are angry about? The fact that we aren't giving you the game for free?

Seems like a strange thing to be upset over.

More about the fact that the game is way too expensive for what you're getting. Once you're in these price ranges, people expect a decent team, dedicated developers behind the game, those that can fix important bugs fast, good servers and stability, a game client that isn't dogshit and a game that isn't abusable in so many ways. In short, people expect the full package, a real game. What you have is very good, but it's not a full package, and I'm afraid it isn't close. WHICH IS FINE, if you only priced it appropriately.

If you put out a 'starter' game you have to price it for what it is, not for what you want it to be.

Also, people spend more on skins/cosmetics than you might believe.

[Amanlu]

I mean.... I'd love to have 99% uptime and fix bugs instantly. That requires resources, though, for which reason we are asking our players to provide us with some of those.

Jorb, you can't continue to treat this game as a pet project and ask for prices similar to MMO's that have been running their full verison for years.

I get that you want the money to make Haven what it could be, but you have to price it for what it is. Your situation is comparable to the guys on Dragons Den who think they have a million-dollar product before they have sold a single unit.

And of course I'm willing to pay.

And of course I want Haven to succeed, I LOVE Haven.

And I get that this is just your initial prices, and you're open to them going up or down, but what upsets me is that it would not have taken you long to compare your pricing to current running MMO's.

World of Warcraft is $15 a month, that's nearly your own price range and many consider even that too much. This is a complete game with a massive number of support staff being fueled by that $15. And sure, that may actually be able to afford low profit margins due to their high player population. Even Runescape, although their pricing model has changed, once offered a free version of the game with an optional; $5 a month to unlock the full verison - and turns out the free verison was just the tiniest fraction of the game. Again, Runescape is a massive game supported by a large number of staff.

You don't have a large number of staff, it's just you and Loftar. And you don't have a massively multiplayer game. You advertised it yourself as a "eternal alpha". I'll pay the price for a big budget game when you have one. For now what you have is a multi-ton massive truckload of potential. Please use it wisely. I want to make you rich.

I would love to pay for Haven. maybe around $3 a month? I would sure as hell shell out for some cosmetics, my naked dude is terrifying. Is that enough to support you, with say 600~ players? Where did you get the initial $10 a month number?

EDIT: I should mention. I am playing Hafen till i can no longer without paying. My four friends that would have been my villagers have lost all interest and have not joined me.

That's all i wanted to say, but you contained it within single post, all that hurts me is written here, all that would save the game from dying is also here.

[Apocoreo]

no its strange you would charge so much for a game thats not even near as polished as old HnH

Um, durr? The game is quite obviously infinitely more polished than the old H&H ever was, or could ever hope to be.

Jorb.

[karapampula98]

no its strange you would charge so much for a game thats not even near as polished as old HnH

Um, durr? The game is quite obviously infinitely more polished than the old H&H ever was, or could ever hope to be.

a lot of people would think otherwise if the game is more "polished" then before

[Redempter]

Jorb, I'm just going to speak up for a ton of people who I know are either lurking here or are getting truly angered over recent events here. This game you've made has been indeed a source of a ton of fun, great events and happenings, and all that jazz. But you have to realize that now-a-days, people aren't willing to pay lodsamone for something

So what is it that you are angry about? The fact that we aren't giving you the game for free?

Seems like a strange thing to be upset over.

This isn't about not getting it for free. It's about your archaic monthly fee crap. There's a reason 95% of MMO's besides the big few have dropped subscription fees. It doesn't work, and nobody likes it. It makes you feel like you have to play each day, otherwise you're wasting money. Nobody wants to be in that mindset when they're playing.
I'd have bought this game for as high as say £40, if I could buy it outright without having to worry about paying each month, and I'm sure other people would.

Drop the fucking subscription shit.

What people need to fucking get through their head is that only big company can support free to play with on the side cosmetic/bonus items and still support their monthly server fee. These are two guys trying to make it out as a game studio, two guys that gave a game for FREE for a while! A game that had monthly server cost, so they paid it from their pocket (and from the donation which I don't know if they were plenty). Now they don't want to give it for free anymore and they need to pay for the monthly fee so that's where the subscription comes in. Just to make sure you guys understand what I'm talking about, monthly fee is something you have to pay every month.

[Apocoreo]

no its strange you would charge so much for a game thats not even near as polished as old HnH

Um, durr? The game is quite obviously infinitely more polished than the old H&H ever was, or could ever hope to be.

Jokes aside. Hafen has some issues not present in haven.

I cannot read part and private messages. It's dark text on a dark background and it was blurry even when I moved a foot from my 40 inch 1080p TV. It literally made my eyes hurt and eventually I just ignored the new friends I've made.

The camera leaps around when trying to adjust it, and I don't have any of the wonderful options I have in haven.

No compass rose. Are you kidding me? I make maps as a living so this has me unreasonably pissed, so I won't go on much about it.

There are other issues but they are nitpicks. These 3 are all that really hampers my experience when compared to haven.