P2P plan

[qazwsxedc123]

I'm an old member. How do I verify my account to get unlimited access for free?

[Pazzy]

The pay plan is terrible anyone with any economic skills would understand that.
Although I suppose that's a good reason you're a game developer, although I would make a recommendation to hire on a third member to do your finance deals; as the two of you together are not highly capable to do such deeds.

Everyone is pointing out the same aspect that this came out of no where and that the prices are simply to high to match what you are giving us.
The game is an ALPHA game, and now that you have simply came out with an honestly new version of the game in reality that makes it a brand new game. This means a brand new alpha, if the old haven was anywhere close to being finished with a few years under it's belt this game will see another 5 or so years before it is even caught to the old haven.

Jorb, stating that you two explained in an interview that there would be Monetized could have meant anything.
This could mean the game would be sold, a subscription, store bought items and so forth.

No one is crying that the game has a subscription fee, they are angry this literally came out of no where regardless of your interview. Your interview was vague, and gave us no direction of what it would actually be. Let's also look at the entire list of fees. Claiming that $6 is the lowest the game can go, if purchased at a full year. Let's repeat this.

A Full Year

No one is going to throw out that kind of money for a year on a game especially one of an alpha state no matter what. Let's also not mention that you two are not quite regular updaters of the game. It would could be months before we even see a new patch to the game most likely knowing the old haven.

So for the break down you want us the players
- to pay a large sub to an alpha game, regardless of price even at $6 dollars, it must be bought for a full year.
- to pay a sub to a game that doesn't see regular updates
- to pay a sub to a game that cannot stop crashing or lagging
- to pay a sub to a game that has little to no content other then to Grind and Survive, there are no other aspects like normal mmo's. ( No quest, no lore. Basic wild life in the game etc...)
this list could probably go on but the bottom line is your game is simply not finished and does NOT under any circumstance stand at a level with higher mmos.

I love haven to death, and would gladly pay a fee, but not on par to what I would have to pay for other mmos of a much higher degree. This game is worth 5 dollars at best for a subscription fee total. No deals such as a full year at 6 a month, or 15 dollars for one month.

WoW = $15
Final Fantasy XIV = $15
Runescape = $10 ( Can buy game time with in game gold so you never have to waste irl money)
EVE = $15
Guild Wars 2 = NO FEE other then buy base game
Lord of the Rings Online = NO FEE other then base game, and if you want to buy things such as new quests packs, which are no more then a pocket full of change.

There are Mmo's that are completely free for a one time base game price or cost 10-15 and are top tier.
So you've based your prices of an alpha game to compete with top games in the mmos franchise.

Again no one in here is mad your game cost, you're a developer giving us a product and we should have to pay, but for the price of a game in it's alpha stage is laughable.

What you should have done was released cosmetics, like you have.
If the game was to have a Fee make it a reasonable price of $5 dollars for a alpha mmo.

Other alternatives to get rid of the subscription fees is to sale the game on STEAM for $15.
Increase the price as the game grew in players, if the game have atleast a 1000 player base growth increase it by 5 dollars. New players who buy the game now pay $20. If the player base grew another 5thousand increase the price.

But this would also mean you have to send out regular weekly updates and patches to the game, and I'm guessing you two wouldn't want to do that.

that guy right.Well everyone say many words about p2p system, so my turn:
First and main point:
I am READY to pay and agree what you guys deserve moneys for all work you done.
again. I dont butthurt bcs you forcing me to pay. Pay for good game is normal.
but Try to watch your own game, not dev eyes. You have done game without
- A+ graphics
- A+ support and stability
- big comunity(even 2k ppls on start is kinda extremly small comunity)
- regular updates what contain new content(in past)
Also H&H is TOTALY NOT NEWBE FRIENDLY.
And you want player pay for it $72.00.(bronze full year sub what means 6$/month)
srsly? Ask yourself: If you find game in web what have/dont have things i said above will you play for full year? otherwise we going to disquss other price per month. How much you ready to pay for game you dont know?. Next point is Core players of old H&H. Main problem with old guys is it was surprise for everyone what game now is p2p. All other problems can be smoothed before start. Well. In the end we have:
-frustrated old community
-lack of fresh blood who just dont know why they should pay even 1$ for game with graphics from 2000 and ~200-500 online(i think it will be like that after "starting boom")
That will lead game to death.
Sorry for my english and thats only my own opinion

[Ants]

I mean.... I'd love to have 99% uptime and fix bugs instantly. That requires resources, though, for which reason we are asking our players to provide us with some of those.

But do you really think your current business model can get you these resources? Will enough people be willing to pay? If you think many people will be willing to pay, can you explain why you think so?

[Amanlu]

that guy right.Well everyone say many words about p2p system, so my turn:
First and main point:
I am READY to pay and agree what you guys deserve moneys for all work you done.
again. I dont butthurt bcs you forcing me to pay. Pay for good game is normal.
but Try to watch your own game, not dev eyes. You have done game without
- A+ graphics
- A+ support and stability
- big comunity(even 2k ppls on start is kinda extremly small comunity)
- regular updates what contain new content(in past)
Also H&H is TOTALY NOT NEWBE FRIENDLY.
And you want player pay for it $72.00.(bronze full year sub what means 6$/month)
srsly? Ask yourself: If you find game in web what have/dont have things i said above will you play for full year? otherwise we going to disquss other price per month. How much you ready to pay for game you dont know?. Next point is Core players of old H&H. Main problem with old guys is it was surprise for everyone what game now is p2p. All other problems can be smoothed before start. Well. In the end we have:
-frustrated old community
-lack of fresh blood who just dont know why they should pay even 1$ for game with graphics from 2000 and ~200-500 online(i think it will be like that after "starting boom")
That will lead game to death.
Sorry for my english and thats only my own opinion

Man i don't know what they're thinking. EVERYONE tells them the same, and they just tell us, it's not fine for you? Go away! They don't have 2mill player base, but 200-100 online + alts so... Can you afford being rude to people?

[ReaperOne1Two2]

So my friend tells me hey HNH changed a ton you should come back and check it out. So I come back to see the game after around 4 years to come back and now it's p2p. Needless to say this will stay uninstalled due to the hugely bad decisions on the dev. I would rather see you sell potions that prevent any drops or sell anti thievery deeds before a actual game limiter that will kill off the player base like this.

If SS13 and Byond can find the resources without making terrible decisions like this then there's no reason HNH cannot.

[Brickington]

Oh my god you're all retarded the store is a fucking joke, who would charge so much for a game in it's early alpha we're literally free testers

They haven't seemed to indicate that it is

[rogoku]

I'm an old member. How do I verify my account to get unlimited access for free?

Your not an old member.

Verified accounts are accounts that paid for verification

[Whiteyzz]

Why the cash shop is such an bad idea

- For testing your game that's extremely buggy, I have to pay 10$.

- Releasing it with no information before hand to the community is beyond Electronic Arts dick move, they at least notify us we're going to prepare the lube.

- Removal of the hearth fire secret makes it impossible to find your friends, me and my friends would've actually gladly spent money for time but because of this GG you don goofed

- Paying for the game the 15$ verification isn't worth it unless you want to play world 7 Haven (I wouldn't want to all it would be is old people with way better stats fucking me over, I would want a wipe before I go into that game)

- The 15$ Verification should at least offer one of the following the 720 hours you would get for buying game time. Or more hours per month 155 hours per month, averaging around 5 hours a day. It's just not worth it to buy unless you go for the long run play and not play for 5 years and get 1,440 hours.

[Ants]

There's a related thread on the Salem forums. Interesting.
http://forum.salemthegame.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13810

I'm an old member. How do I verify my account to get unlimited access for free?

Your not an old member.

Verified accounts are accounts that paid for verification

Could be an old member who forgot his old account's password and created a new account. I've been around since world 4 but the account I'm on is less than a year old.

[qazwsxedc123]

Apparently in the store it says my account is already verified, but in my Account it says I have 45 hours of playing time left.