Please unfuck food/recipes

[VDZ]

I do not understand what the fuck you are REEEE-ing about here. It definitely has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

I literally quoted what I originally replied to in my post:

Within 5 minutes he was able to explain every important detail: "eat meatpies with pork and cheese, drink wine, buy a good table, and pepper everything." That was literally it.


I was able to get stats that were competitive at the faction level as a hermit within a month or two.

I am calling bullshit on this. Either Snail was not hermiting (and was instead supported by a faction or large village), or Snail just used an ungodly amount of botting to achieve this. It's simply not possible for a hermit through legit play.

And no, 'eat smarter' does not explain this. Faction fighters have 1000+ stats, sometimes 2000+. Prior to the pepper production buff you got 1 pepper per 5 peppercorn. By definition you cannot gain more than 2 stats per 'level-up', so even if we were to ridiculously assume that every single food item would lead to a +2 stat by itself that would still be 2500 peppercorn 'within a month or two' to reach 1000 in one stat. I don't know the exact growth time for peppercorn, but let's say 3 real-life days because I know it's more than that. Prior to the buff producing 2500 peppercorn in 60 days (the most generous estimate allowed by Snail's claim) would require 83 trellises (reminder: they needed to be harvested one-by-one during world 10) and 62 herbalist tables, making all the most generous assumptions including that everything was swapped with perfect timing and disregarding the whole setup time which would take a good chunk out of those two months. Then multiply that by three because you need STR, AGI and CON for a fighter.

And then consider that even the above numbers are still bullshit because there's no fucking way you get a stat levelup with each food item, and you're definitely not getting +2 on each levelup. It's simply not possible. As Coles put it prior to the production buff, after having mass-botted pepper himself:

In order to make pepper in meaningful quantities you need literal map grids filled with trellises and as someone who made 1 bucket of ground pepper per session in a previous world I can tell you that it is really only used seriously by botting factions. The quantity, space and time required to make enough to make it worthwhile is just not attainable for the majority of players. The script I ran took like 6 hours from start to finish and the initial setup was insane... I would be down for a rework of pepper because it really is something mostly reserved for botting tryhards

And that impossible pepper production was claimed to have been done in addition to normal hermit progression plus other very time-intensive tasks. Snail is straight-up lying and using said lies as arguments to prove a point. Even when a point has merit, if it's backed only by lies it loses even the merit it did have, and furthermore it taints the entire discussion because if Snail is being dishonest about this, how can we trust any other argument Snail gives from supposed personal experience to be legitimate?

Snail was originally making a good point, but it gets diluted through these bullshit claims.

[SnuggleSnail]

Here's the conversation. I think I ended up around 20k strength, 15k agi, 30k perception, 20k charisma. It took about 2-3 months of playing like 2-3 hours a day, and I played somewhat inefficiently. After I got around 10k attributes a friend made me a veryyyy rudimentary bot that baked dough with Pbot that was not much better than doing it manually, and I bought my pepper. If you want somebody else to verify you can probably ask trollex/bunsey/alg/rawrz/ardennes/bleh and whoever else would've known my stats back then. Dakkan/djmod, maybe?

It's the same now and every world since. You can very easily have near top stats at any point in the world as a hermit without playing /that/ much.

It's some combination of either being not something most people are interested in, or shit being needlessly complex. For me at least I think the current system would be too complex for me to even really try if I were in the same situation again.

You literally just have that ol' slave mentality

[VDZ]

I think I ended up around 20k strength, 15k agi, 30k perception, 20k charisma. It took about 2-3 months of playing like 2-3 hours a day, and I played somewhat inefficiently.

That's 270 hours max. You gained an average of 314 stats per hour, or 5.2 stats per minute, or roughly a stat per 10 seconds. On average. With self-produced stuff. On top of typical hermit progression. Are you seriously claiming this?

and I bought my pepper.

Oh, and at the same time you managed to acquire trade goods and perform large-scale trading.

Things just don't add up. It's literally impossible to generate that many resources through manual hermit play, let alone do it on top of normal progression.

[SnuggleSnail]

Imagine living in a world where 30-50ish racks of cheese per hour is unfathomable. God what a fucking retard

[Liss12]

The system was fine when game itself was less complex and there were less variables. Right now stuff like stuffed bird and smoking sausages is a work of nightmare. I agree with snail most ingridients should provide same flat FEP bonus to every dish instead of completely fliping the outcome god knows how. If you still want to keep the fiddly trial-and-error part of cooking apply it to spice only i dunno. There shouldn't be more than 1-2 variables per dish.

[sMartins]

Wait wait, stop ... Before all of that, an essential question:

Where Is Coles?

[DonVelD]

Probably doing what he does the best - punch & chopping people.

[DonVelD]

...

Okay, okay. We get it. You don't believe it. Just eat your titan-tiered crabcakes for that mad agi and totally not prove our point. I've heard people are also eating roasthoppers for their sweet, sweet agi, you should also try that.

[Zampfeo]

Okay, okay. We get it. You don't believe it. Just eat your titan-tiered crabcakes for that mad agi and totally not prove our point. I've heard people are also eating roasthoppers for their sweet, sweet agi, you should also try that.

Don't get me wrong - I think a lot of the variable foods are needlessly complex - but making them static isn't going to stop nabs from eating grasshoppers and frog legs for AGI. It's a step in the right direction for sure, but the bug-eaters need a lot more handholding than that.

[DDDsDD999]

The current hunger system is beyond fucked right now anyway with tryhards drinking hunger reset potions, it has to get changed.

Exactly, no matter what changes are made to simplify things for the average player there will always be other methods by which an advantage can be gained and they are usually far greater advantages than what gets complained about on the forum. The botting and custom client features are so much that most of you don’t even play the game yourself any more except to attack other players.

That's not a reason to not try and fix these dumb problems. Changing the fep bonus faction players get through knowledge/abuse of the system from 300% -> 150% is still a good thing. The hunger system this world still sucks massively.