P2P plan

[alioli]

Wouldn't it be better if they did something like they'd done with Salem? Find a publisher who will handle the financial part and at least provides a decent server while they focus wholly on developing the game. I know that Seatribe and Paradox 's Salem was a mess but at that time, I believe they had HnH 2 to concern about. Now it's only 1 game.

find a publisher would hardly be ideal though. As publishers usually want more say than we probably want in the dvelopment of the game.

[kris_hole]

Wurm, which is cheaper
Salem for example

1 month currently costs 8 Euro. $8.94. Wow what a huge saving of $1.06

not to mention wurm is a bag of shit, same goes for salem.

[Ponciliano]

I like how all the bitching people are using WoW, League etc as examples as to why this is unfair...

For a start, wow has THOOOUUUSANDS of players, using any major online game as an argument against this is like bringing a tank to a fist fight, you're just a dickhead.

this all boils down to "the game is shit so i won't pay more than $X because its unfinished but i expect you to work full time and finish this game in your spare time with no incoming finance to support it before i give you any money after 7 years of just giving your work away"

that's like having somebody plaster your house and saying "fuck you i'm not paying you because you used my kettle and drank my tea"

Either grow up and just accept things as they are or fuck off back to minecraft. I for one am happy this in in place so all the fucking annoying cunts crying about this won't be in the game to fuck with people.

Show me the cheaper game that offers the same unique experience haven does. You're just pulling useless analogies out of your arse because at the end of the day, you're just a broke ass bitch who's too cheap to pay for a fucking game developed by two guys in their spare time.

Have you read my post?

I'll say it again. Let's get the Dwarf Fortress example: It's a VERY HARD and complex game, much more than H&H is, and has a similar niche to H&H. Who likes DF tends to like H&H, and vice-versa, like is my case. It's frequently developed (much more frequently than H&H) by only two people, same number of H&H's developers. They find themselves in a very similar situation under any point of view.

The difference is that Toady survives very well with the game (only by incoming donations), gaining around 3000-6000$/month, and does not need to make the game p2p. And he knows he CAN'T do it anyway, because DF is an alpha game, with lots of bugs and crashes, and the players of the game are TESTERS. We (the players) are doing a favor to Toady, even by making mods that turn DF more friendly-playing (thus attracting more players and, consequently, wealth, without gaining even a single cent), just like old H&H had some very useful mods, essential for a good playing experience, also made by players. Making H&H p2p is completely unethical, and jorbtar should be aware of that. Maybe they could have considered it better if they were ETHICAL and announced it before in a CLEAR way and opened it to discuss, not only by an underground and vague interview and doing it in a way that catched everyone in surprise.

Maybe if Jorbtar stated in a more clear way their situation and have done more marketing in favor of donations, with small rewards for donators like Toady and Tarn (DF creators) do, I'm pretty sure the general situation we find ourselves in now would be much better, with a much more positive atmosphere, instead of the raging wave we're getting now, which is a very reasonable reaction to jorbtar's handling of their fans' feelings.

So, stop YOU being a dickhead saying that turning the game into p2p is the only solution for it (the developers' sustenance problem) and arguing in favor of that, because it isn't, and we have some cases that make it true (like DF, that has a very similar situation to H&H, as I said).

[rezal]

Wurm, which is cheaper
Salem for example

1 month currently costs 8 Euro. $8.94. Wow what a huge saving of $1.06

not to mention wurm is a bag of shit, same goes for salem.

You can also earn for premium time in wurm with ingame currency.
Explain to me why wurm is a bag of shit while hnh isn't, I'll gladly read that. While Salem was published by the same company and I see a lot of things from Salem appear in HnH2.

We've shown you examples and you just dismissed them as 'shit', come on son.

[kris_hole]

Ark hardcore servers

Ark is a completely different game that will eventually rely on community servers. Same way EVERY SINGLE OTHER ONLINE GAME that is free or has a one off payment ends up which isn't developed by a fucking mamoth studio with millions to fall back on.

[Aceb]

Forum just became one big HnH 3.0. Why even bother with game itself?

For most of people it's just far too expensive.

[kris_hole]

Wurm, which is cheaper
Salem for example

1 month currently costs 8 Euro. $8.94. Wow what a huge saving of $1.06

not to mention wurm is a bag of shit, same goes for salem.

You can also earn for premium time in wurm with ingame currency.
Explain to me why wurm is a bag of shit while hnh isn't, I'll gladly read that. While Salem was published by the same company and I see a lot of things from Salem appear in HnH2.

We've shown you examples and you just dismissed them as 'shit', come on son.

Ultimately it comes down to personal preference. My problem with wurm is that i just don't like it, i find no enjoyment or entertainment in that game. I'll be honest, last time i played wurm was about 5 years ago.
As for salem, although it was announced as "this isn't haven and hearth 2" it basically was a failed haven and hearth 2. The publishers demanded too much from it which ultimately lead to it being awful. I spent around 8 hours on the game and accomplished sweet fuck all, granted i've pretty much done that with HnH2, HnH2 plays better, and looks better. Salem's art style was horrible and there was just too much.Haven was complicated enough with soft caps left right and centre, salem went fucking overboard.

also no i don't consider a games graphical content to make a game, however it does help. I'm not saying every single game should look realistic, i'm just saying it should look nice. PacMan looks nice, HnH1/2 looks nice, Skyrim looks nice (gameplay is shit), salem gave me retinal cancer.

I honestly think these guys deserve what they're asking for to help keep this game going, I understand what it takes to make something on the spectrum HnH is and with just 2 people (probably outsourced some stuff) its just fucking impressive that they've got this far even if it has taken 7 years.

[kemil88]

Show me the cheaper game that offers the same unique experience haven does. You're just pulling useless analogies out of your arse because at the end of the day, you're just a broke ass bitch who's too cheap to pay for a fucking game developed by two guys in their spare time.

Salem, it's 90% like this, but free

[rezal]

Then you should say "In my opinion it's shit" instead of "it's shit" while not playing the game for 5 years, when it changed in almost every aspect and arguably is the best sandbox-crafting online game around, with likely the best community too.

And, they're updating Wurm weekly, in comparison to HnH, it gets updated like what... yearly? They developed over the 5 years while this game didn't develop even 1/4 as much. I guess what also helped is the fact that Wurm was basically p2p from as long as I remember. That gave them more money to develop and improve. Should have went the same way with HnH years ago and we'd be looking at a way better game right now.
Salem was indeed HnH2 and while I don't consider it awful, I usually got bored around a week of playing and grinding gluttony, which was a rather annoying system. Still, wouldn't call it shit.

In my personal opinion HnH2 looks worse than HnH1 or Salem, and it has way more flaws than the previous titles.

If it's worth the money RIGHT NOW it's hard to tell as so far nothing I've seen in the game can hold me for a longer while, and especially not wobbly servers and the games performance being awful, and for sure not the learning system.

[Ralek]

I honestly think these guys deserve what they're asking for to help keep this game going, I understand what it takes to make something on the spectrum HnH is and with just 2 people (probably outsourced some stuff) its just fucking impressive that they've got this far even if it has taken 7 years.

Game has a lot of potential but it is nowhere near impressive at the moment (at least not for the price they are charging). And no "just because I like it" is not a valid reason to justify the business model they are using. It is not even about the price itself, but the underlying problems that will appear later on (or right now pretty much) which have been mentioned a million times and that you, shill fuck, choose to ignore.