Nidbane nerf

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Re: Nidbane nerf

Postby NOOBY93 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:49 am

Potjeh wrote:What, you can't fight without your 9k+ botted stats?

wot? xd

Where did you get the idea that I've ever had 9k+ botted stats? I've never used bots (except paving and barrel filling in w7) and if you ask anyone I've ever played with in a combat environment they will tell you I was always the guy who would manually get a miserable amount of stats then get bored of farming the character and go fight.

The ideas I'm suggesting would actually cripple my style of gameplay, but in my opinion people who grind a lot should not be able to be instakilled by 5 bars of metal???

Not that it's relevant, but in legacy my top stat was like 300 unarmed combat on a character called Reaper, and in world 9 top character had 200-ish attributes.
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Re: Nidbane nerf

Postby Potjeh » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:51 am

Grinding a lot shouldn't give you immunity to anything. A game should be about skill, not time investment. If it's a competition in who can burn more time on it the unemployed will always drive out people with actual money to support the development. Also, in that case it's not a game, it's unpaid work.
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Re: Nidbane nerf

Postby NOOBY93 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:53 am

Potjeh wrote:Grinding a lot shouldn't give you immunity to anything. A game should be about skill, not time investment. If it's a competition in who can burn more time on it the unemployed will always drive out people with actual money to support the development. Also, in that case it's not a game, it's unpaid work.

This simply isn't true. A game should be a combination of skill AND time investment. If the game was solely about skill, the game would just be the "valhalla" minigame where everyone has 5 of the same moves and equal stats.

But let's say the game should only be "about skill". What's skillful about spawning a nidbane?
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Re: Nidbane nerf

Postby Potjeh » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:54 am

Infinite character investment, open PvP, permadeath. Pick just two. All three together is bound to fail.
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Re: Nidbane nerf

Postby NOOBY93 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:56 am

Potjeh wrote:Game is bad!!1

Still not an argument/suggestion.
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Re: Nidbane nerf

Postby Potjeh » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:56 am

And you're still retarded.
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Re: Nidbane nerf

Postby Granger » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:26 pm

Potjeh wrote:Infinite character investment, open PvP, permadeath. Pick just two. All three together is bound to fail.


This.

NOOBY93 wrote:
Potjeh wrote:Game is bad!!1

Still not an argument/suggestion.

He didn't say that, thus

Potjeh wrote:And you're still retarded.

is also a reasonable observation, as Potjeh has made a valid point that you completely ignore (on your quest to get carebear bonus for your playstyle).
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Re: Nidbane nerf

Postby NOOBY93 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:32 pm

You're completely delusional. Let's start with this...

Granger wrote:Potjeh has made a valid point that you completely ignore


No he didn't.

Potjeh wrote:Infinite character investment, open PvP, permadeath. Pick just two. All three together is bound to fail.


This is not a point. Infinite character investment, open PvP and permadeath is how the game works now, yes. Saying "How the game works right now doesn't work" is not a point, it's just saying "We have problems boys!!!" without even addressing nor attempting to solve any of them.

Granger wrote:(on your quest to get carebear bonus for your playstyle).


Carebear bonus?? So there being a mechanic that lets players insta-kill a criminal through walls, claims and everything provided they killed 2 or more people in a fight is alright, but wanting such mechanic gone is a "carebear bonus"?

You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Stick to sucking at moderating forums instead of talking about game mechanics you've never dabbled with.
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Re: Nidbane nerf

Postby Granger » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:50 pm

NOOBY93 wrote:You're completely delusional. Let's start with this...

Granger wrote:Potjeh has made a valid point that you completely ignore


No he didn't.

Potjeh wrote:Infinite character investment, open PvP, permadeath. Pick just two. All three together is bound to fail.


This is not a point. Infinite character investment, open PvP and permadeath is how the game works now, yes. Saying "How the game works right now doesn't work" is not a point, it's just saying "We have problems boys!!!" without even addressing nor attempting to solve any of them.

This thread sole reason for existance is that 'pick three' dosn't work for everyone.

Granger wrote:(on your quest to get carebear bonus for your playstyle).


Carebear bonus?? So there being a mechanic that lets players insta-kill a criminal through walls, claims and everything provided they killed 2 or more people in a fight is alright, but wanting such mechanic gone is a "carebear bonus"?

jorb wrote:it amazes me how you can use this as an argument in favor of laxer player killing without blushing.


You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Stick to sucking at moderating forums instead of talking about game mechanics you've never dabbled with.
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Re: Nidbane nerf

Postby NOOBY93 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:52 pm

NOOBY93 wrote:
jorb wrote:
NOOBY93 wrote:That is a problem that is solvable by ANY OTHER WAY than making a mechanic that does "hurr durr mine 10 bars of metal and instakill a 2-year-of-work character xdddd"


I'm not contradicting you, but it amazes me how you can use this as an argument in favor of laxer player killing without blushing.

The problem is being a laxer player is easier and much less time consuming than being an Ozzy who doesn't go out of his house and spends all his thinking power on what he will do in Haven.

People who work this hard to stay relevant SHOULD be able to dominate casual players in some way. Maybe not completely instakill them as it is now, but some way, sure. Nidbanes are not a good idea as it just discourages people from doing what they would otherwise want to do, AND makes alting a good idea.


I already addressed what jorb wrote. I have nothing more to say to you except to fuck off out of a thread you don't know anything about because you don't know anything about it and are not making valuable points.
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