Crossroads - vote on the poll to make haven great again

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Re: Crossroads - VOTE ON THE POLL TO MAKE HAVEN GREAT AGAIN

Postby jordancoles » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:28 pm

Just let me charter over deep oceans jesus christ
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Re: Crossroads - VOTE ON THE POLL TO MAKE HAVEN GREAT AGAIN

Postby Aceb » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:23 pm

jordancoles wrote:Just let me charter over deep oceans jesus christ


100% each time You port to one and I'm fine with it. in reality I'm not but want to please fasttravel haters
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Re: Crossroads - VOTE ON THE POLL TO MAKE HAVEN GREAT AGAIN

Postby SnuggleSnail » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:37 pm

Kaios wrote:The problem is that straw poll as a polling tool is entirely unreliable.


You don't need some super accurate poll to know FOR SURE basically everybody wants fast travel. You just gotta walk into a crowded room of haven players and say "I don't like fast travel", and be socially astute enough to notice all of the disgusted glances and people trying to avoid you for the rest of the night.

Plus, I bet all 3 of the people who don't want fast travel would click on a 10 page thread called "Crossroads - VOTE ON THE POLL TO MAKE HAVEN GREAT AGAIN". It's the people who don't care who wouldn't read, mostly
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Re: Crossroads - VOTE ON THE POLL TO MAKE HAVEN GREAT AGAIN

Postby loleznub » Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:14 am

Kaios wrote:
The problem is that straw poll as a polling tool is entirely unreliable. If you want accurate statistics regarding majority opinion then you have to use a proper methodology and by that I mean in this case, posting the poll to a single thread in C&I and then most likely linking it to all your friends in discord that share the same opinion leads to a fairly large selection bias. It is a targeted and very narrow method of surveying an opinion. The only way to administer a poll properly would be for the devs themselves to propose a selection of choices to be voted on, ensure the poll reaches the majority of the population by announcing it on the forum as well as in-game and provide ample time for players to vote.


Anyone that matters browses the forums. If you don't browse the forums actively, then you're not invested in the game enough.

That's the bare minimum. This bare minimum makes what, 75% of the community irrelevant if not more? In addition to this, spruce caps like Granger and other handicapped individuals like you, should not be taken into consideration when it comes to important discussions about game mechanics. It's really quite simple, for instance, let us say that you have a friend that is blind. You also want to get to a restaurant as quickly as possible. It wouldn't make much sense to task them with guiding you to said location when you can see. In this example, both you and Granger would be the blind man, whereas the non-blind man would be me.

If you think this is a skewed poll in favor of "friends in discord" then perhaps you should go link this to all your friends in discord since it's so easy to skew a poll in this way. But I suppose that requires you to actually have friends in the first place.. Yikes, a startling discovery for sure :roll:
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Re: Crossroads - VOTE ON THE POLL TO MAKE HAVEN GREAT AGAIN

Postby Ardennesss » Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:45 am

loleznub wrote:
Kaios wrote:
The problem is that straw poll as a polling tool is entirely unreliable. If you want accurate statistics regarding majority opinion then you have to use a proper methodology and by that I mean in this case, posting the poll to a single thread in C&I and then most likely linking it to all your friends in discord that share the same opinion leads to a fairly large selection bias. It is a targeted and very narrow method of surveying an opinion. The only way to administer a poll properly would be for the devs themselves to propose a selection of choices to be voted on, ensure the poll reaches the majority of the population by announcing it on the forum as well as in-game and provide ample time for players to vote.
If you think this is a skewed poll in favor of "friends in discord" then perhaps you should go link this to all your friends in discord since it's so easy to skew a poll in this way. But I suppose that requires you to actually have friends in the first place.. Yikes, a startling discovery for sure :roll:


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Re: Crossroads - VOTE ON THE POLL TO MAKE HAVEN GREAT AGAIN

Postby Kaios » Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:54 am

A significantly large portion of the player base is not English speaking and thus do not browse this forum or receives information via translator or second-hand. There are alternate forums for other languages and many of them won't ever see a post here unless it is brought to their attention or posted in announcements.
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Re: Crossroads - VOTE ON THE POLL TO MAKE HAVEN GREAT AGAIN

Postby SnuggleSnail » Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:18 am

I doubt the distribution of people who want/don't want fast travel would rly be that different between Americans, Russkies, and Polaks.
Also, I don't think the poll was an attempt to create some kind of game development democracy... It's just anecdotal evidence that 90% of the playerbase dislikes the current iteration of fast travel, and when extrapolated for realsies evidence AT LEAST BARE MINIMUM 70% of people who care either way want fast travel.


Dude, I just want to hang out with the nabs at CF again, instead of walking for 2 hours just for there to be no nabs because they had to walk for 2 hours as well.
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Re: Crossroads - VOTE ON THE POLL TO MAKE HAVEN GREAT AGAIN

Postby boreial » Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:19 am

Personally, I would rather have Charter Stones be "Great" again, okay maybe limit porticos to travel only within the current continent/island. However travel from Charter Stone to Charter Stone world wide. Yes, fast travel sucks for many reasons, but is also the prefered method of travel when you don't have 2 hours to waste.
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Re: Crossroads - VOTE ON THE POLL TO MAKE HAVEN GREAT AGAIN

Postby DoctorCookie » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:07 am

I voted for improved travel, I dont want to walk 2 hours to CF either. I just was not a player when crossroads were a thing so cant vote for that. If you have the ability to make a charter stone why cant that be free travel to visited charter stones? You still have to go through the effort to visit those places. Same with portico.
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Re: Crossroads - VOTE ON THE POLL TO MAKE HAVEN GREAT AGAIN

Postby azrid » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:14 am

jordancoles wrote:Just let me charter over deep oceans jesus christ

>willingly builds on island
>cries about living on an island
yikes
also
>group builds cf too far from vortex
>group gets all their buddies to pressure jorb into cleaning up their mistake so they can be the global dominant market again
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