Change Palisade bashing to burning them down

[Granger]

Suggestion: Make palisades unable to bash by hand, but let us set them on fire to burn them down (over a reasonable long time) ?

Reasoning behing this is that Palisades, thanks to palibashers, are useless as soon as the world gets a bit older...

[Asgaroth22]

Suggestion: Make palisades unable to bash by hand, but let us set them on fire to burn them down (over a reasonable long time) ?

Yes, please. Palisades are underpowered right now, and basically you can build roundpole fence instead of it for all it does (maybe i'm exagerrating a bit)

[CSPAN]

or just make it impossible to tear down a timber wall with barehands or a sledge hammer. From personal experience hitting a tree trunk with a hammer is not effective. Walls should only be destructible in this manner during the "hardening phase". Making it require a ram would deter stronger players from wasting the resources for little to zero gain from these raids. It only happens now because its easy, and free to do. Think of all the poor poor new players leaving the game all because some dude smashed their walls down with a shiny hammer.

[Patchouli_Knowledge]

Alternative, have the palisade have substantially more hp than it has but allow rams to deal additional damage to it. That way it can be bashed but will take quite a lot of hours. It doesn't remove the elements of it but will discourage casual bashing of palisade settlements. In addition, even if you can theoretically bash with a character, your schedule may not allow it. Would you want to bash a palisade for 8 hours just to not finish it because you have real life obligations?

Argument: If a character with a LOT of strength does the bashing, it make reduce the bashing time.

Counter argument: If you are attacking a settlement that has a palisade, they are probably lower tier, while at the same time, you are may be putting your basher at risk for suboptimal gains.

The reason why I wanted to suggest this is that setting it on fire is one fire and forget (no pun intended) action while constant palibashing over several hours is a constant maintenance action.

The concept of this suggestion is taken from the concept of brickbashing in world 3 where it is not invincible but at the same time, it is an daunting task to break through it.

[LadyV]

I like the idea but also have reservations to the path we might be opening.

[Patchouli_Knowledge]

If there are concerned within your mind, it is probably best to express it here so that any flaw within the ideas can be ironed out while in the planning phase.

[LadyV]

First burning should be determined as only for walls. Anything else becomes a rather nightmare situation. Once you allow it there will be the calls for burning crops and houses... become the next step. And lets be honest it then becomes a way to totally kill off a group or hermit. You could camp and wait for them to put the fire out to attack and kill.

Second concern is fire is rather bit easy to make and use. At least with a sledge you have to acquire metalworking and such.

Finally, linked to number two, you create an easy outlet for griefing. People can and will set palisades ablaze just to cause trouble with no intent to attack. Im not a fan of harassment in games. You want to raid then raid but don't grief.

Those are my concerns.

[Tonkyhonk]

burning down wooden walls with fire sounds interesting, and i kinda like the concept itself, but the thing is that people always ask to implement something to make it harder to be raided, but that is actually asking to make criminals safer in general, or this could even make noob raiders or thieves/robbers with palisades safer too.
this type of concept (asking for more security) would only lead us to where whoever enjoy crimes almost always win over others with no consequences, and the only losers are those who make critical mistakes, most likely new players, and make it even harder for veteran helpers to get the perps (in order to execute or take the loot back or whatever). is this really what we want in this game?

[jorb]

I've entertained similar ideas.