game basically unplayable without quality on default client

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game basically unplayable without quality on default client

Postby DeadlyPencil » Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:15 am

Can you please have an option to show quality on the default client. every time the game is updated and you require custom clients to be updated, everyone basically stops playing until one of the main custom clients is updated.... honestly if you somehow did something where custom clients could not work this game would become a ghost town. thats how important showing quality is to everyone.

This game is basically a quality grind game, and yet you dont even allow people to see quality by default.
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Re: game basically unplayable without quality on default cli

Postby Ysh » Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:08 pm

DeadlyPencil wrote:Can you please have an option to show quality on the default client. every time the game is updated and you require custom clients to be updated, everyone basically stops playing until one of the main custom clients is updated.... honestly if you somehow did something where custom clients could not work this game would become a ghost town. thats how important showing quality is to everyone.

This game is basically a quality grind game, and yet you dont even allow people to see quality by default.

I think that a single man programming team is better with program the game and not ui feature. This is why custom clients are existing. If the update is too slow from custom client owner, you can update yourself manually. But really custom client is updated very quickly for me.
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Re: game basically unplayable without quality on default cli

Postby Shadow7168 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:10 pm

Here's a pro tip.

Did you know that you can see quality by hovering the mouse over the item? WOAH!!11!

Custom clients will always be better than the default anyways, Jorbtar knows this so he doesn't waste his time developing features that are already in other clients. Besides, most clients update in what, a max of 8 hours?
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Re: game basically unplayable without quality on default cli

Postby Kaios » Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:30 pm

Custom clients are also the reason why some people have more LP than you, can beat you in combat because they run a script that will stop their attack from happening when you put up a defense or other factors that are easy to mitigate, run their forage bots out of, see through all the objects you shouldn't actually see through, the list of little conveniences eventually add up to huge advantages that the default client could never compete with.

None of that means they shouldn't develop the default client more, custom clients are the bane of this game.
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Re: game basically unplayable without quality on default cli

Postby Ysh » Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:37 pm

Kaios wrote:Custom clients are also the reason why some people have more LP than you, can beat you in combat because they run a script that will stop their attack from happening when you put up a defense or other factors that are easy to mitigate, run their forage bots out of, see through all the objects you shouldn't actually see through, the list of little conveniences eventually add up to huge advantages that the default client could never compete with.

None of that means they shouldn't develop the default client more, custom clients are the bane of this game.

Anyone can become ''some people'' with these advantage. Having loftar add client feature it's waste of time while we lack in game features. Game features are always more important. Especially when the community can work the client for free to make better for all.

Aside from this, players will always find ways of circumvention with restrictions. It is not possible to disable custom client. You hurt yourself if you do not use.
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Re: game basically unplayable without quality on default cli

Postby Kaios » Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:40 pm

Ysh wrote:Anyone can become ''some people'' with these advantage. Having loftar add client feature it's waste of time while we lack in game features. Game features are always more important. Especially when the community can work the client for free to make better for all.

Aside from this, players will always find ways of circumvention with restrictions. It is not possible to disable custom client. You hurt yourself if you do not use.


I am not speaking of the public custom clients you can see available on the forum or even KT client which is not so obviously available, the rabbit hole goes much deeper than you know.
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Re: game basically unplayable without quality on default cli

Postby Ysh » Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:01 pm

Kaios wrote:
Ysh wrote:Anyone can become ''some people'' with these advantage. Having loftar add client feature it's waste of time while we lack in game features. Game features are always more important. Especially when the community can work the client for free to make better for all.

Aside from this, players will always find ways of circumvention with restrictions. It is not possible to disable custom client. You hurt yourself if you do not use.


I am not speaking of the public custom clients you can see available on the forum or even KT client which is not so obviously available, the rabbit hole goes much deeper than you know.

Such is life. These things cannot be stopped. I think you waste your breath with complaining for these. Though, sure, in an ideal world this is not problem.
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Re: game basically unplayable without quality on default cli

Postby Kaios » Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:15 pm

Ysh wrote:Such is life. These things cannot be stopped. I think you waste your breath with complaining for these. Though, sure, in an ideal world this is not problem.


Maybe they can't be stopped but I don't agree it's waste of time to talk about it and consider options, it's been a repeat discussion for a rather long time now. Half the problems that they have to think up weird mechanics to solve or at the very least lessen the issue caused derive from certain custom client features. The only reason for debate on this is some people can't decide whether the mechanics themselves have caused people to resort to these methods or if they were solved would this really curb the issue of power gamers still wanting that advantage.
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Re: game basically unplayable without quality on default cli

Postby Ysh » Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:49 pm

Kaios wrote:
Ysh wrote:Such is life. These things cannot be stopped. I think you waste your breath with complaining for these. Though, sure, in an ideal world this is not problem.


Maybe they can't be stopped but I don't agree it's waste of time to talk about it and consider options, it's been a repeat discussion for a rather long time now. Half the problems that they have to think up weird mechanics to solve or at the very least lessen the issue caused derive from certain custom client features. The only reason for debate on this is some people can't decide whether the mechanics themselves have caused people to resort to these methods or if they were solved would this really curb the issue of power gamers still wanting that advantage.

I guess I do not see this as a debate. There will always be such power gamer to abuse mechanics. The number of these is likely to be related to how easy abuse is to do. I think it is hard to disagree with such position.

I maybe mistake you too quickly as one to cry at custom client devil for all problems. I see a few of these types around. You are seem to be more reasonable.
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Re: game basically unplayable without quality on default cli

Postby ydex » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:48 am

Just realized that qualities doesnt show in default client, and I find it weird. Can we pls revisit this? (Make it so we can toggle it on/off in game options?
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