Changing the treeplanting system

[Archiplex]

Tree planting sucks. A lot. Significantly more so than anything else I'd wager (in terms of results gain and the mandatory-ness of it)

Naturally, this would be something for next world, but I have a few outlined ideas and points

Here's my complaints:
1.All trees start at a baseline of 10. Virtually nothing else does this (Silk can be found in qualities, So can ore, and crops and so forth, the only other exception is tamed animals.)
2.Trees take a long time to grow (fine), but every growth stage runs a risk of death without reaping real benefits.)
3.Tree resource regrowth is based off decay, which is RNG based. You have to wait until your tree is hit with a decay/growth tick before recollecting resources off of it.
4.An arbitrary system exists where you must grow the biome for the tree for them to grow faster (this is only an issue the first time you grow a tree)
5.There is no point in most different trees due to the effort required. You grow one for boughs, one for wood/bark/sticks and then the rest for their specific resources (apples, mulberry leaves, etc)
6.STUNTING. WHY.

And, the best ways I see of fixing them
1. Easy, add variable quality nodes for all trees.
2. Don't change this, risk/etc is fine.
3. Set resource replenishment to be based off the trio of qualities. Vitality affects speed of replenishment, Substance affects the amount of replenished goods. Essence affects the maximum it can keep stockpiled.
4. Remove this, flat out. People will set the biome within the first wave of trees.
5. Add a more visible difference between tree types- or more distinct uses for the bough types and such. Not really a big issue.
6. Add a 'care' system to trees similar to animals. "Healthiness" of a tree dictates the chance to stunt every time it grows, and must be maintained by doing tasks.
7. A new thing, add "lifespan". All trees die eventually, and this should be based off vitality. After a certain amount of replenishes, the tree begins to decay and replenishes slower and less amounts, until it withers and dies.

The big one is 6.

Basically, have tiny animals/bugs in the world that sometimes fly over walls or barriers (bugs, not animals) and attack trees. You simply have to shoo them every now and then, otherwise the healthiness of a tree goes down, and thus the chance for it to stunt occurs. Certain trees could have a stronger healthiness than other trees (and be more attractive to grow), and other trees might grow faster but have a lower healthiness, etc. It's not something that should occur a lot (perhaps a chance for an event to happen to the tree every ~8-16 hours), but when it does occur, it should be handled lest the tree come closer to death.

[Glorthan]

Based on 3:
It would be nice if less active places had equal decay ticks as well, based on a rough timestamp delta between map loads. As is decay only happens when the tile is loaded, making less active areas decay extremely slowly.

[Archiplex]

Also, since the issue seems to be based upon server load- simply have natural trees be an exception to the rules.

Natural trees never die, and replenish very slowly.

[Ysh]

Basically, have tiny animals/bugs in the world that sometimes fly over walls or barriers (bugs, not animals) and attack trees. You simply have to shoo them every now and then, otherwise the healthiness of a tree goes down, and thus the chance for it to stunt occurs. Certain trees could have a stronger healthiness than other trees (and be more attractive to grow), and other trees might grow faster but have a lower healthiness, etc. It's not something that should occur a lot (perhaps a chance for an event to happen to the tree every ~8-16 hours), but when it does occur, it should be handled lest the tree come closer to death.

I will rather deal with numerous problem of current system than shoo this bug.

[APXEOLOG]

Actually i cannot say that treeplanting system sucks. Like any good mechanics it requires some knowledge and work to deal with it. Of course there are many ways to make it easier (increase regen, reduce fail chances, etc etc) but i'm not sure that easier means better.

[Granger]

Replacing the completely stopping the growth on stunting with a reduction to growth speed (which could be a bit more random initially to make a tree farm visually nicer) and a better system to regrowth than decay and it'll be fine.

In case we need a fail case: tree turns into mirkwood should it die.

[Arcanist]

Based on 3:
It would be nice if less active places had equal decay ticks as well, based on a rough timestamp delta between map loads. As is decay only happens when the tile is loaded, making less active areas decay extremely slowly.

Decay wasn't like this in legacy. Decay only hits when the map is loaded, but decay ticks act on random server tiles at the same time.

Pretty sure..

[sabinati]

the only thing i dislike about treeplanting currently is that it takes so much time and energy to chop trees down.

[Hasta]

the only thing i dislike about treeplanting currently is that it takes so much time and energy to chop trees down.

This.

As for most of comments that could be easily defined as "whining": you're growing a fricking tree. Not a carrot. Not a beetroot. Not even a pumpkin. Put some elbow grease into it.

[Vert]

i always forget to chop trees for 90% at the start to check is it working. So is it working?