Mixed milk and cheeses

[Jeff]

Right now, having some leftover (0.X units) mixed milk in a curding tub makes it essentially useless, as you can't remove that milk. Even worse, adding several liters of cow and sheep milk to an infinitesimal amount of mixed milk will still give you mixed milk. Clicking on the wrong barrel can potentially ruin several tens of liters of milk.
Thus i've thought about some changes in that regard.

1) Changing how milk works, making it retain its actual composition.
For example, "Pure" cow milk would be considered as 100% cow milk. Putting sheep milk and cow milk together will end up in a mixed milk that's composed of X% sheep milk and Y% cow milk. Having at least Z% of a particular type of milk makes it a milk of that type. Just to make an example, let's say Z is 90%. Putting 6 liters of sheep milk and 4 of cow milk will still result in a mixed milk, but adding a liter of sheep milk to 10 liters of cow milk will still end up in cow milk (albeit not pure).
2) Changing how curding tubs works.
Likewise, curds would retain the composition of the milk they're made with.
3) Changing how cheeses work.
For the sake of checking what cheese it will end up, the composition is calculated from the curds it's made of. From here, we could have several changes:

• Simply checking for X% cow/sheep milk curd. Having at least X% (let's say 90%) cow/sheep milk in its curd makes it a cow/sheep cheese. All the rest ends up as generic gouda. This alone would solve the issue with tubs.
• Like above, but some actual mixed milk cheeses could be implemented (after all, mixed milk cheeses do exist).
• As above, and unpure cow/sheep cheeses could have slight modifications to their stats based upon their secondary component.
• Just to make things even more complex, some cheeses could instead require pure milk instead, else they end up in gouda or mixed milk cheese.

[ekzarh]

Or implement the way to take milk from cudring tub.
Easy - if milk bar is not empty - milk is taken to bucket. Even 0,1l
If milk bar is exactly 0 - rennet is taken.

P.S. I dont mind the idea of more content and more mechanics. But as for now - the main frustration of users is milk wasted. Which can be solved in a faster way than implementing new conent. Meanwhile the main dev team effort should go for kingdoms and combat

[Jeff]

We already had threads about getting the milk out of the tub. The answer was negative, since rennet and milk are mixed together. That's why i'm approaching the issue from a different angle - not getting the milk out, but adding other milk to make it "pure enough" for a cow/sheep cheese.

[sabinati]

i think that thread was about someone who wanted to get the milk back from the tub, which is different than emptying the tub and getting nothing back

[Jeff]

But emptying the tub means you waste both milk and rennet. That's not a desiderable outcome, imho.

[ekzarh]

We already had threads about getting the milk out of the tub. The answer was negative, since rennet and milk are mixed together. That's why i'm approaching the issue from a different angle - not getting the milk out, but adding other milk to make it "pure enough" for a cow/sheep cheese.

That seems like a wrong interpretation of dev's responses.
There are clearly distinguishable bars of both milk and rennet. This means that server knows how much rennet and how much milk are in container. Separately.

[Jeff]

Maybe you didn't read said response. Here it is.
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=44380#p577346

Rennet and milk are mixed in the tub, and can't be retrieved. Won't fix.

Seems pretty clear to me.
We do have bars detailing the contents, but that's merely for our convenience. The contents are actually mixed together in the tub from a logical standpoint (else you wouldn't be able to make curds) thus you can't remove just one of the two.

[ekzarh]

Maybe you didn't read said response. Here it is.
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=44380#p577346

Rennet and milk are mixed in the tub, and can't be retrieved. Won't fix.

Seems pretty clear to me.
We do have bars detailing the contents, but that's merely for our convenience. The contents are actually mixed together in the tub from a logical standpoint (else you wouldn't be able to make curds) thus you can't remove just one of the two.

From lore perspective this is true. I've been talking about code perspective.
Then again - it may be 'milk with rennet' which may be considered generic milk and used in existing cooking recipes.
The IRL proportion is 1g of curd per 2-4l of milk. So until coagulation process is not finished (curd is created) it remains pretty much the same milk. Maybe not tasty for drinking but okay for cooking.

[jorb]

Arguably some mixed cheeses or w/e could be cute.