Stone Walls Revisited

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Stone Walls Revisited

Postby LadyV » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:01 pm

I seem to recall Jorb replied he didn't have a clear vision how to define stone walls form brick ones. So after thought and research I have a reply.

Stone walls are clearly stronger creations but they achieve this at a trade off. They require much more material and thus longer to create. Stone walls are also much thicker due to need to support more weight.

Brick walls are faster to build and use less overall material. They are also less resistant to splash damage due to metal reinforcing. Their intention was quick easy defence not long term siege.

If we toss in aesthetics stone walls are capable of more colors due to stone use. They are also more capable of things like rounded edges since you custom cut or place stone. Bricks are limited to their clay types and well squareness. Due to their size stone walls also present the opportunity to create walkable paths and by default ladders or stairs up to such for the inside.

I think stone walls allow us some new options to towers. We have stone towers now but they are more akin to stone keeps. I propose if or when we evaluate stone walls we add a corner tower option for stone walls. Either square or round they can be nice addiitons.

To answer another question recently about kingdom level buildings. I would place stone walls as a kingdom level structure. They take more time and resources and you are litterally creating a castle. It would also make for an interesting perk to grant to loyal citizens. Only a King/Queen could grant permission to build such massive structures. So we would gain a new kingdom level permission. Everyone else could only build lesser walls. All hail royal authority. :D
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Re: Stone Walls Revisited

Postby azrid » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:05 pm

Squareness is no obstacle for curvature.
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Great wall of China is made of bricks as well.
So you could make a large brick wall with just more bricks.
I think a larger wall should use boulders or cut boulders as building material. Much like stone tower looks like it has walls made of boulders.
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Re: Stone Walls Revisited

Postby MrPunchers » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:17 pm

azrid wrote:Squareness is no obstacle for curvature.
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Great wall of China is made of bricks as well.
So you could make a large brick wall with just more bricks.
I think a larger wall should use boulders or cut boulders as building material. Much like stone tower looks like it has walls made of boulders.

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We should be able to cut boulders into giant bricks, to make stones walls.
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Re: Stone Walls Revisited

Postby LadyV » Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:50 pm

azrid wrote:Squareness is no obstacle for curvature.
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Great wall of China is made of bricks as well.
So you could make a large brick wall with just more bricks.
I think a larger wall should use boulders or cut boulders as building material. Much like stone tower looks like it has walls made of boulders.


That is a nice decorative wall you show. However a ram would tear that apart quite easily and the curve in that thin wall would cause serious splash damage.

The Great wall of China is essentially two brick walls with filler in between. It is also beyond the scope of most people resources in Haven, short of a faction gathering together most of the map and players.

I'm not saying a decorative wall of brick could not be made but it is not so easy and retain the defensive strength needed. Stone however by its nature and way its placed tends more to curvature. You could cut brick but do you really want the tedious portion to be added to further complicate wall building?

Yes i completely agree we should be able to cut boulders or even cave walls in building stone walls. :)
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