Chance of breaking

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Chance of breaking

Postby Helio » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:46 pm

What if items had a chance to break when you used them and the probability of them breaking increased the more an item was used ?
also what if crafting had a chance to be unsuccessful?
do you guys think this would be a good idea for this game?
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Re: Chance of breaking

Postby DreadDawson » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:50 pm

Please no. Also, there is a chance to fail at lighting fires.
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Re: Chance of breaking

Postby Helio » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:55 pm

DreadDawson wrote:Please no. Also, there is a chance to fail at lighting fires.

plese explain further
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Re: Chance of breaking

Postby DreadDawson » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:01 pm

As a miner/smith, it would be terrible if on top of all the slimes trying to kill me, my high q pickaxe broke. Then when I go to try and replace it, my high q hammer breaks. Now I'm without a good axe, and a good hammer. Now to get more good iron I'll have to go back a week of materials grind, assuming my new items don't break in that time period.
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Re: Chance of breaking

Postby Helio » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:11 pm

DreadDawson wrote:As a miner/smith, it would be terrible if on top of all the slimes trying to kill me, my high q pickaxe broke. Then when I go to try and replace it, my high q hammer breaks. Now I'm without a good axe, and a good hammer. Now to get more good iron I'll have to go back a week of materials grind, assuming my new items don't break in that time period.

i see why that would be frustrating, but that is exactly the point. Right now i think that the game is a little too straightforward, resulting in formulas people can use to be efficient, and that makes people reach the end way too fast no matter how much extra endgame stuff is thrown in. If unexpected things happen i think it would make the game a lot more interesting. Also as stated in your case, if bad quality things break it doesn't matter but if something high quality breaks it is bad news, making doing things more high risk/reward and less straightforward.
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Re: Chance of breaking

Postby sMartins » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:40 pm

Yeah, I'd like everything in the "rogue like style" for haven...
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Re: Chance of breaking

Postby Aceb » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:30 pm

Helio wrote:
DreadDawson wrote:As a miner/smith, it would be terrible if on top of all the slimes trying to kill me, my high q pickaxe broke. Then when I go to try and replace it, my high q hammer breaks. Now I'm without a good axe, and a good hammer. Now to get more good iron I'll have to go back a week of materials grind, assuming my new items don't break in that time period.

i see why that would be frustrating, but that is exactly the point. Right now i think that the game is a little too straightforward, resulting in formulas people can use to be efficient, and that makes people reach the end way too fast no matter how much extra endgame stuff is thrown in. If unexpected things happen i think it would make the game a lot more interesting. Also as stated in your case, if bad quality things break it doesn't matter but if something high quality breaks it is bad news, making doing things more high risk/reward and less straightforward.


1. Do not exploit or "outsmart" the way of playing
2. Do not trade for goody goodies
3. Try to get everything from the base
4. Watch how slowly everything goes up.

The most valueable resource is time. And You skip pretty much a good chunk of time when You trade or cheese. Without that, I can assure You... It is not that fast and straightforward.

Especially if You get ganked or something and lost some tools. If You like to live on the edge of course.

Stuff gets slowly harder. It's not that hard now as updates comes when people are already advanced, but for someone who do not have so much ideas on to how to do stuff, it takes even more time.

Besides, many villages used to (I do no know if still) share best Q tools for biggest effects so I guess that those would break pretty fast. Not to say, selling a tool that is expected to be done in some next uses... And then, many people be like... "LET US REPAIR THAT" and here circle closes.

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Re: Chance of breaking

Postby Helio » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:59 pm

Aceb wrote:
Helio wrote:
DreadDawson wrote:As a miner/smith, it would be terrible if on top of all the slimes trying to kill me, my high q pickaxe broke. Then when I go to try and replace it, my high q hammer breaks. Now I'm without a good axe, and a good hammer. Now to get more good iron I'll have to go back a week of materials grind, assuming my new items don't break in that time period.

i see why that would be frustrating, but that is exactly the point. Right now i think that the game is a little too straightforward, resulting in formulas people can use to be efficient, and that makes people reach the end way too fast no matter how much extra endgame stuff is thrown in. If unexpected things happen i think it would make the game a lot more interesting. Also as stated in your case, if bad quality things break it doesn't matter but if something high quality breaks it is bad news, making doing things more high risk/reward and less straightforward.


1. Do not exploit or "outsmart" the way of playing
2. Do not trade for goody goodies
3. Try to get everything from the base
4. Watch how slowly everything goes up.

The most valueable resource is time. And You skip pretty much a good chunk of time when You trade or cheese. Without that, I can assure You... It is not that fast and straightforward.

Especially if You get ganked or something and lost some tools. If You like to live on the edge of course.

Stuff gets slowly harder. It's not that hard now as updates comes when people are already advanced, but for someone who do not have so much ideas on to how to do stuff, it takes even more time.

Besides, many villages used to (I do no know if still) share best Q tools for biggest effects so I guess that those would break pretty fast. Not to say, selling a tool that is expected to be done in some next uses... And then, many people be like... "LET US REPAIR THAT" and here circle closes.

Just no. No.


but with the knowledge that people can sell you bad tools wouldn't that discourage trading? Also inexperienced people are usually not far into the game if they are inexperienced so its not really a problem as they will only have access to low quality tools witch can be replaced easily. Breaking only has a very big effect on people who have reached a very high level or people who traded for tools. I'm also not sure why tools shared between villages breaking is a bad thing. Also although things will take more time overall to accomplish i don't necessarily see that as a bad thing. It is different from just slowing things down though because the main purpose of this is not to slow things down it is to make repetitive and calculated tasks more random.
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Re: Chance of breaking

Postby azrid » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:17 am

Fighting rng and decay is not fun.
Fighting dragons is fun.
Add chance to break this thread and add dragons.
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Re: Chance of breaking

Postby Helio » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:24 am

I'd be down for dragons. But imagine the panic when your weapon breaks while fighting it :)
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