This game is unplayable for new players

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This game is unplayable for new players

Postby ThatAlex » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:03 pm

Dear Haven and Hearth creators:
Your game has some fundamental problems.

I played this after Projared made a video on it, and enjoyed it despite its many flaws. Then with the Pay2play update i left and came back a few weeks ago. And let me just say that now your game is unplayable. The world map is completely covered with players, making it impossible to learn the game and build a base for yourself since it will always get destroyed by some big Faction.
And i get that PvP is a part of the game, however with something this complex, you need to teach players how the game actually works without basically forcing them to reset every 2 days because theres no safe space in the world.

Along the same lines ive noticed that this game has almost no exposure and that is largely because making a Series on this game is nearly impossible, since players will hunt those people down, making them stop the series or playing all together.

If you want this game to become something bigger, which i really do want, get rid of the some of the toxic players. Create a mechanix where you spawn somewhere without 2 giant Factions that will inevitably destroy everything you have. This isn't nitpicking from a player who died, this is a problem with the game. With giant factions, it makes it impossible for new players to get into the game, thus dooming your game to never grow.

I truly hope you do something about it because this game has a lot of potential
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Re: This game is unplayable for new players

Postby Aceb » Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:24 pm

1. Less than half of world is still unpopulated. I traveled whole world so I know what I am saying. There's literally a ton of space where players haven't build much.

2. Toxic players existed, exist and will continue to exist. Best option to stay somewhat safe, is to public videos few days after You actually started to play, so You have a safe place to hide or re-start if You get killed (which is hard now, than it was before).

3. You seems to "cry" that You build too close to a faction and got stomped. Common sense says, it's a bad thing to do.

4. Many new players started across entire world and most of them succed. Change your strategy if You keep having bad luck.

5. You sound like a minority that has a problem.
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Re: This game is unplayable for new players

Postby iamahh » Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:40 pm

that's a bit outdated, maybe in early world before realms, things are like that

now you only get in trouble if you break roads, settle too close to active titan

there's plenty empty space and free loot everywhere
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Re: This game is unplayable for new players

Postby vatas » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:13 pm

Once you get properly built and claimed Palisade up (easy since you can hide your drying frames/tanning tubs into a cave) I doubt nobody is going to bother sieging you unless you settled right next to active village.
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Re: This game is unplayable for new players

Postby LadyGoo » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:16 pm

ThatAlex wrote:making it impossible to learn the game and build a base for yourself since it will always get destroyed by some big Faction.
man, I think you've built your base right on a big network of crossroads. Do not mess with them. Factions are annoyed by each other destroying crs and won't make an exception for you being a nab.

If you want this game to become something bigger, which i really do want, get rid of the some of the toxic players.
Or make it so that you can actually see that you are blocking someone's crs or get a message. No-one cares about you, unless you mess with the precious crs.

With giant factions, it makes it impossible for new players to get into the game, thus dooming your game to never grow.
LMAO. Granger, you've got a new potential recruit! Hurry up! Get him join your anti-faction choir. :lol:
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Re: This game is unplayable for new players

Postby DDDsDD999 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:42 pm

Ban all the players, only way to prevent toxic behavior.
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Re: This game is unplayable for new players

Postby waga » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:16 pm

I've met a new player few weeks ago , destroyed his noob camp because he built near my road then I helped him , he's doing very fine now and enjoy the game.
You're the problem , not the game.

You made some noob shit , you paid the consequence.
You either try to become less noob , or you don't , up to you.
This game is not meant for you it seems.
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Re: This game is unplayable for new players

Postby Karokan » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:19 pm

I've had the exact opposite experience since we restarted playing later in the world, and I've done two of the big no-nos. First, we broke someone's crossroad, but they were super understanding about it they moved it. Second, we settled next to not one, but two established villages (albeit with small populations) and we've actually become pretty close friends with one of them. Plus, one of my little group is actually still a sprucecap. While we all rolled new characters, two of us have multi-world experience, but he's only been playing for about four weeks now, and absolutely loves it.

I'm not saying that the bad stuff doesn't happen like in your case, but at least in ours people have been super tolerant, especially when we showed the inclination to make ourselves useful.
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Re: This game is unplayable for new players

Postby » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:26 pm

I haven't had this problem myself. I haven't been attacked at any of the (admittedly very small) various bases I've built around the map, but then again I made a point of trying not to get in anyone's way when settling. And there's also the possibility of starting with a group that's already established instead of on your own.

Making the world hospitable for players they like and inhospitable to players they don't like is a task for the players, not the devs. Unless the devs aren't happy with the sort of players they've been attracting, then maybe it's worth addressing that in a mechanics-way, but just banning people seems un-haven-ish.

It is a sandbox game and the devs have given us many tools. It's up to us to use them to create a nice world. I like that aspect of HnH, and it is my personal preference that it not be changed.
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Re: This game is unplayable for new players

Postby strpk0 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:30 pm

What an original and new idea, big +1 :D
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