Oven Upgrades (+ other?)

[Lunarius_Haberdash]

This post was originally about Oven Racks exclusively, and while brief the contents of the original post can be found in the spoiler below. Conversation both on and off the forum has led to the topic rather evolving, and so I decided to rewrite the original post. To whit:

It would be nice to be able to upgrade the efficiency of some of our industrial items specifically, in this case, the oven.

Upgrades could include:

Oven Racks - Each Oven Rack installed would increase the number of slots available by 4 (max of 20). Note: Rack Quality has a direct effect on end produce.
Flue - One only - reduces cook time of items in the oven. (Suggested: Each Q step reduces cooktime by 30 seconds, so 30 seconds at Q10, 60 at Q40, 90 at Q90, 120 at Q160, etc. to a minimum time of 580 seconds or 9.67 minutes (2 sticks of fuel)
Damper - One only - increases the burn time of fuel used in the oven in increments of 29 seconds, to a maximum increase of 290 seconds (doubling fuel efficiency).

Therefore a fully equipped and maxed out oven would be able to cook 16 items in 9.67 minutes using a single piece branch.

I am not at all satisfied with the details of the idea, but do like the overall concept... Discuss.

There was some idea that the number of available upgrade slots on an oven should have something to do with its quality. While I like that idea in concept, I can't figure out a good way to make it useful/functional in practice.

I'd love to see us get oven racks or cookie sheets that can be used to cook multiple items at once.

Say, for instance, you get two Cooking Pans, each cooking pan is a container that is a 1x4, and holds 8 items.

Two of these in an oven doubles its capacity.

Also, it's quality is relevant to the kitchen's output. (Anyone who has used an inferior cooking pan will support this aspect)

[neeco]

While interesting, seems kinda pointless when you can just build another oven. I guess for poeple who are buying bricks to make just one high q oven or something, but I always make mine in batches anyways. When you're baking with 16-32 ovens I feel like managing those would just be a hindrance.

[Lunarius_Haberdash]

While interesting, seems kinda pointless when you can just build another oven. I guess for poeple who are buying bricks to make just one high q oven or something, but I always make mine in batches anyways. When you're baking with 16-32 ovens I feel like managing those would just be a hindrance.

Whereas I see you effectively having 32-64 ovens...

[LadyV]

I would support a village level oven type that is larger but only at village level. If cooking is to easy it spins things even further out of control.

[neeco]

If cooking is to easy it spins things even further out of control.

Given that cooking is simple enough to be fully automated/botted and I know multiple people who bot all their baked goods, I think making it easier is not going to matter much.

[shubla]

I somewhat agree, oven rack could be really expensive, but the main point of it would be to save space by not having to build dozens of ovens.

[Lunarius_Haberdash]

I would support a village level oven type that is larger but only at village level. If cooking is to easy it spins things even further out of control.

I see no point in giving villages yet another advantage that the common person doesn't get, and this is coming from someone who is all about community.

If cooking is to easy it spins things even further out of control.

Given that cooking is simple enough to be fully automated/botted and I know multiple people who bot all their baked goods, I think making it easier is not going to matter much.

Much as I despise botting as a concept, you're absolutely correct. What this really does is give the hermit a bit of help once they have the resources to make these.

I somewhat agree, oven rack could be really expensive, but the main point of it would be to save space by not having to build dozens of ovens.

I don't think there's a reason for the oven rack to be arbitrarily expensive, but you're absolutely right about the 'saving space' thing. It also makes it easier for the hermit to get the most out of those fancy bricks he bought to make a really nice oven. It's almost certainly going to be cheaper for someone to buy two oven racks and the necessary bricks than enough bricks for two ovens.

[qoonpooka]

Hell. I'd settle for a 2x4 container than holds 8 items so that I can just queue up, dump in, walk away. I'm too small time to have eight identical items for easy shift-alt-clicking, loading baking sheets while the oven runs would be grand.

The village oven idea would be fun if it required you to maintain heat in a sweet spot, took some preheat time, and basically required monitoring. Active baking for high-throughput.

[synntax33]

Honestly, I have a hard time weighing the value of an idea or game mechanic by botting. I do not bot. I do not have 16 ovens. I don't want 16 ovens. If someone chooses to automate their experience in game instead of enjoying it themselves, that is on them. Having a way to increase one ovens output seems logical, and quality increases are nice as well to prevent having to constantly tear down my oven and build a new one, cooking isn't hard or easy as it is, it is one extra thing to find d time to do though. I think that if there were pans that increased the quantities baked, perhaps a balancing factor could be size increases on pies and loaves?

[MagicManICT]

I do not bot. I do not have 16 ovens. I don't want 16 ovens.

I've never ran any kinds of scripts for Haven myself, but I have had multiple ovens in the past (8 I think was max) for just myself because of the small inventory they hold for baking. I haven't made a large base this last world, so one has satisfied me, but if I were really trying to put on the stats, I'd probably have to go 8 again, even with the extra fuel requirements now (used to be a bug in ovens and kilns so they used almost no fuel). And that's just to feed me. I'll say 4 is a minimum for anyone with any real desire to eat baked goods.