Adder bites and moving

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Adder bites and moving

Postby shubla » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:09 pm

Adder bites should increase a lot when you move. And increase less when you are standing still or sleeping.
The nerve-toxin will of course be less harmful if you move less as it will spread less.
There should also be some treatment for it, like applying some string to the limb where you were bitten to compress it and thus decrease the spread of the toxin.
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Re: Adder bites and moving

Postby Agame » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:12 pm

In less than a minute your blood has gone a full circuit in your body, toxin with it. Apply what?
It affects your every limb in time, but it spreads with the speed of your blood. Spread can't actually be slowed. Medicines try to counter its damage before it puts you out.

So, yes, venomous snakes are incredibly rare. Most snakes are not venomous in real, so most snake bytes are not dangerous. But if in real you do get bitten by a poisonous snake, you have just a few minutes to inject yourself with the counter-venom or you die. The faster you do it, the better you will be on the long term. If you do not have it on you, you die. In 2019.

In middle ages, just like in Haven, once bitten by a venomous snake, you could pray, lay down, use a tourniquet (if you had one) or bind the wound, or suck the wound, or cut yourself then suck it... To have something to do for a few minutes, no other reason. Then get a greenish pale color and die in pain. Actually in Haven you still have a chance to live, not like in real.
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Re: Adder bites and moving

Postby Lunarius_Haberdash » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:31 pm

Agame wrote:In middle ages, just like in Haven, once bitten by a venomous snake, you could pray, lay down, use a tourniquet (if you had one) or bind the wound, or suck the wound, or cut yourself then suck it... To have something to do for a few minutes, no other reason. Then get a greenish pale color and die in pain. Actually in Haven you still have a chance to live, not like in real.


Your asssessment of the situation is a little bleak. Not all snake bites are immediately fatal.

"Foligno immediately went to work, applying the ‘great theriac’ on the heart, then
cupping and scarifying the wound location and making the patient ingest stale butter.12
Foligno noted that sucking the wound, which was a usual treatment, was not done
due to the lack of volunteers on observing the patient’s symptoms. Foligno then had the
patient drink (with strong wine) theriac (made from ground gentian, balsam seed, rue
and anise). The next morning the patient was prostrate, with a heightened pulse and a
face ‘foul in colour and form’ and closed eyes. Citing Avicenna, Avenzoar and Maimonides
as authorities, the patient was given at frequent intervals emerald powder along with
citrus seeds infused in wine, despite his difficulty in swallowing. By the early afternoon the
patient had not improved and his urine was livid. Foligno sent him to other colleagues for
second opinions, but on his return, the patient’s pulse was even higher. Foligno decided
to administer the theriac of Haly Abbas, whereupon the patient spoke for the first time.13
By that evening, the patient was conscious and recognised the doctors despite a still livid
urine and rapid pulse. Foligno prescribed for the night massage and more emerald powder,
citrus seeds and Haly Abbas theriac.
Early in the morning of the third day, Foligno received a message that the patient’s
pulse and countenance had taken a turn for the worse and that his livid urine was full
of ‘scaly’ solutions. Foligno blamed this situation on the patient sleeping and failing to
take the medicines and ordered the forcible administration of all three medicines. When
Foligno visited his patient in the late morning, he found him much improved and ordered
a diet of chicken soup and fat (with emerald powder and citrus seeds sprinkled on top for
good measure). That evening theriac was administered twice, cupping glasses were applied
again on the bite, and arrangements made so that the patient did not sleep soundly.
In the morning of the fourth day, Foligno visited his patient, who mentioned pain
in his stomach and kidneys, although his urine was much improved (better colour and
without sediment). Foligno prescribed a clyster of either milk or a decoction of mallows,
followed by the patient being washed with a decoction of round aristologia leaf, to make
him sweat, along with drinking some more Haly Abbas theriac. By the fifth day, the patient
did not appear to have any serious symptoms and a diet of good food and wine was
prescribed, without the need to ingest any more theriac. Foligno finished his account by
noting that many people bitten by ‘deaf asps’ do not open their eyelids for months."
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Re: Adder bites and moving

Postby shubla » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:58 pm

Agame wrote:In less than a minute your blood has gone a full circuit in your body, toxin with it. Apply what?
It affects your every limb in time, but it spreads with the speed of your blood. Spread can't actually be slowed. Medicines try to counter its damage before it puts you out.

So, yes, venomous snakes are incredibly rare. Most snakes are not venomous in real, so most snake bytes are not dangerous. But if in real you do get bitten by a poisonous snake, you have just a few minutes to inject yourself with the counter-venom or you die. The faster you do it, the better you will be on the long term. If you do not have it on you, you die. In 2019.

In middle ages, just like in Haven, once bitten by a venomous snake, you could pray, lay down, use a tourniquet (if you had one) or bind the wound, or suck the wound, or cut yourself then suck it... To have something to do for a few minutes, no other reason. Then get a greenish pale color and die in pain. Actually in Haven you still have a chance to live, not like in real.

We are talking about different snakes then. In Finland there are adders which work like described in OP. Dying if they bite is rare, and happens mainly if you are allergic or very weak/sick or they bite you from like your neck. (Snakes bite you from your legs or hands 99,99% of time)

Im pretty sure HnH has same snakes as Finland!
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Re: Adder bites and moving

Postby TonyRigatoni » Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:51 pm

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