Improve Dry Stone Fence

[Jackwolf]

Dry Stone Fences already take a bit more work than a regular roundpole fence, and even more materials. They should, for the initial corner post, take slightly more but also include some more benefits.

As it is now they're functionally no different than the basic roundpole fence. An ideal situation is that they could be improved to serve as a middle point of palisade and the roundpole; Something for the more basic newbs as they start out.

Improvements

• Add some basic damage reduction. Enough that, relatively early on, they couldn't be handbashed without something a little bit stronger than a stone axe. (Pickaxe, maybe? something in between?) [They should, however, be reasonably handbashed well before palisades use to be.
• Make sure they're bashable by all animals except maybe foxes, possibly badgers/wolverines? Whichever is weaker. This, however, should only be able to keep out such small animals once it's soak has built up.
• Make it so stonewalls can be shot over by bow or sling. They're very short, visually, thus make very little sense as to why they shouldn't be. There is some possibility for cheese, but with the above in regards to wildlife it should be minimal.
• Give it the option of a visitor gate, even if for an increase cost of gate (at the very least include dreams?)

As far as what its additional costs should be, i'm unsure. I'm fairly certain bone glue should be included, perhaps clay for "foundation" or such - to keep the stones together more securely.

[Aceb]

Get palisade. Stone fence is a stone fence not stone wall. It's good as it is and it's just variation of fence, which many people wanted and got.

Most of your post is just like asking for some nice cheap palisade with some benefits.

[shubla]

Get palisade. Stone fence is a stone fence not stone wall. It's good as it is and it's just variation of fence, which many people wanted and got.

Most of your post is just like asking for some nice cheap palisade with some benefits.

That is literally what he is suggesting. And you just tell him to get a palisade?

I think it would be reasonable to have something between the fence and palisade. As palisade takes a few days to get even if you build it ASAP.
For noobs and such, some protection between would be nice.

[Aceb]

Get palisade. Stone fence is a stone fence not stone wall. It's good as it is and it's just variation of fence, which many people wanted and got.

Most of your post is just like asking for some nice cheap palisade with some benefits.

That is literally what he is suggesting. And you just tell him to get a palisade?

I think it would be reasonable to have something between the fence and palisade. As palisade takes a few days to get even if you build it ASAP.
For noobs and such, some protection between would be nice.

how do You want to achieve something in between? Palisades dries quickly enough for You to have to use pickaxe to break it.
Stone fence will stop a fox for a second or two longer than a stick fence!
Shoting animal throught it makes no sense as it will escape before You can reach! Or the next thing You know, they will ask for ability to jump over fences!
A couple of chipped stones just to need pick axe to break it? Laughable.
Visitor gate is unnecessary, if all it takes is one bigger animal or vandalism with a tool to break around. (thought this might happen, because why not)

[Jackwolf]

how do You want to achieve something in between? Palisades dries quickly enough for You to have to use pickaxe to break it.

The purpose of it is to be that low quality in between method. Yeah, palisades dry quickly. Cool? Not the point I'm making here. They also require a lot more materials, steps, resources, and time. That's why they're the absolute go-to for someone who is establishing themselves.

Stone fence will stop a fox for a second or two longer than a stick fence!

Hence why I said give it some soak, or make it specifically so that weaker animals can't break through it. It allows some newbs / people starting out some minor protection from animals, even some defense from boars temporarily if they can get inside. Or a vantage point to attempt to pick off some low-tier wildlife at their home field advantage.

Shoting animal throught it makes no sense as it will escape before You can reach! Or the next thing You know, they will ask for ability to jump over fences!

It's not meant to be a sniper's post. It's not meant to be a method of killing animals with absolute ease. The option to do is nice, and makes sense given its in game appearance. Plus, if a team of characters wants to hunt foxes that way, they can. One slings, the other chases.

A couple of chipped stones just to need pick axe to break it? Laughable.

With this it will require more materials for the corner post than it currently does, or was that missed in my original post? Not to mention that pickaxe was merely a thought, not a core part of the suggestion. It stands that destroying things in your own claim deserves to have something more feasible to work with than a pickaxe or a sledgehammer, but that's for a different thread.

Visitor gate is unnecessary, if all it takes is one bigger animal or vandalism with a tool to break around. (thought this might happen, because why not)

How does the fact that it can be destroyed make it unnecessary? If someone wants to have the option of an open base, why not have it? If someone truly wants to break into some newb's base, it then makes a case of vandalism instead of theft. Not everyone who takes theft takes vandalism, and not many people are going to consider destroying and risking vand scents on some low base just to find out. If someone's far enough along they don't even need a tool, and if they're some lowclass would be crook then they would need a tool to do so - which can be as simple as going back to their place, grabbing it, then going. While not a huge deterrant, it's a time sink at least.

[waga]

looks like a perfect timing for "git gud build a pali"

[Lunarius_Haberdash]

Require clay and sand as part of its construction to both increase the cost to go with the added benefit, and to simulate the use of mortar.

I think "Can't be destroyed without a pickaxe" is a great security method for it. It has very limited utility, but I don't think it's a terrible idea overall.

[Agame]

For a palisade, even if you git as good as humanly possible, you still need 1 real day to wait for your leather to dry, then another day to get it wet again in a tub. 48 hours are enough to get it stolen if you can only protect it with a pole fence, then you need another 48 hours.

This is a suggestion for those 48 hours before you can get your palisade up. And it's a good suggestion.

Git real.

[Aceb]

Dry Stone Fences

Okay, here is a scenario, WHY You don't want that. Since You still don't see the obvious problem.

1. You build a base.
2. You don't metal yet.
3. Mean people come and wall You off with stone fence that YOU can't destroy without pickaxe, because You wanted a very quick & cheap palisade.
4. Profit.


Please, don't be cheap. Just do what every player does and progress up high enough to build palisade. It's NOT that hard.

[vatas]

Similar/related to what Aceb stated above, problem with buffing Dry Stone fence is that it's so cheap to build, especially near stone patches. If I was forced to come up with intermediately walltype between fences and palisade, I'd suggest Plank Wall, although in real world terms it would still be more or less a fence.