Village rebuilding\reclaiming

[yozzik111]

Disposition:
1. We are facing inevitable and unexpected siege changes which will affect building and defence overall.
2. Despite developer's "you should plan forward" position, villages and communities grow, shrink, change, and that involves replanning (sometimes, with unexpected goals).

Problems:
1. We can't move village idols. This massive structure is quite nominal "center" of the claim and do not allow terraforming around/below it. We now can move our personal claims as we please in - i believe - an attempt to make bases more flexible in terms of building.
2. We can't reclaim banners. If the village idol is destroyed, a new one can't be built in the same place - present village banners (marking area of the village that do not exist anymore) considered as other village's territory. First, it is a blocker for the case where the base can replaned by destroing and building idol in another place. Second, it is quite wrong in common sense, because bannered area is not an existing village anymore. This leads us to the point where neither "old" village can be rebuilt, nor "new" village can be extended with existing banners. The only solution is to destroy all banners and statues, which is a huge waste of resources and quite long project since they are not hand-bashable.

Solutions:
1. Village idols should be movable as personal claims are.
How to. If the village claim is not under the siege (no active siege machines on it, to prevent "hiding" idols during the siege), lawspeaker can build a new village idol.
2. Village banners and chieftain statues have "owner". They are built on village claim, but when their owner-claim is down, they can be covered with another village claim thus gaining new owner-claim.

Personally, i am in the situation where my village was built by and for a large group of players. Under a chain of events only i am still playing. This land is mine and i do not want to move, but at the same time infrastructure i have is grotesque, hardly managable and defendable by a single person. Problems described above do not let me rebuild my base in any bearable way.

Will be glad to hear a word from Jorb, Loftar in the near future to adapt my plan.

[ErdTod]

Second point is prone to griefing, where siegers would destroy the idoal and build their idol, claiming the whole village this way.

[yozzik111]

Second point is prone to griefing, where siegers would destroy the idoal and build their idol, claiming the whole village this way.

Well, that is a quite long and hard process: get to the idol, bring it down, set a new one, wait for 24 hours. By that time defenders will drive siegers away, or will be robbed and dead.

What a glorious addition to the upcoming changes and siege overall!

[CaddoPuma]

It may be a problem as simple as the one Cydathria faced in W10, where the village idol was placed right in front of the Great Hall center door for cosmetic reasons. And then we discovered if you exit that door, you would be stuck, unable to go back into the door and unable to walk past the idol. How long you were stuck depended on how long it took you to realize you could (aka must) hearth away...which was very inconvenient for new villagers who hadn't moved their HFs yet.

I agree that destroying a village idol and building a new one to "capture" the enemy village gives a whole new purpose/reason for sieging. I mean...chances are, any village you are able to successfully siege has nothing better than what you already have in your village anyway, so other than gratuitous PVP, there's no real point to sieging as it stands. The ability to capture villages takes the concept to a whole new level...especially if it's the capital city of an enemy realm!

[jorb]

Disagree on both counts. Moving pclaims was controversial as it was.

Reclaiming banners seems abuse prone, and I also think it's reasonable that a village has to build them.

[yozzik111]

You mean, the village has to destory them (most likely with wrecking balls, which may take few days even for a small claim) and then rebuild.

Thank you good sir, this is devastating. I disagree with your disagreement.

[MagicManICT]

Could it be a thing to tie the banners to the village totem? If it comes down, so do the banners? Maybe boost soak or HP of the village totem for the banners and statues that have been attached to it?

[Jackwolf]

That actually seems pretty reasonable, considering if the village totem goes down then all the banners become useless.

[yozzik111]

This, actually, is the point: banners without an idol are useless and there is no mechanism of reclaiming them.

[Jackwolf]

Right, but if Jorb is unwilling to do that... then would not a decent compromise be to remove all of the banners when the totem is destroyed, thus removing the pain of having them block you from restarting the village?