Visitor Buff

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Visitor Buff

Postby Mario_Demorez » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:37 pm

Make the buff apply to everyone that passes into a visitor gate. At the moment it does not apply to people oathed into a village even if they don't have the permissions to steal/vandalize. The current work around is to P-Claim everything.
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Re: Visitor Buff

Postby Ants » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:22 am

+1

yes pls
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Re: Visitor Buff

Postby MagicManICT » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:44 am

Nah. 1) Don't oath people into your village you don't trust: OR
2) use smaller p-claims; OR
3) use field cairns to fine tune permissions in certain areas.

Tools are in place to keep potentially unruly villagers in line. They may not be the most convenient, and need to be improved in various manners. Let's work on ideas to improve the tools we have on hand, not diminish good ideas.

I certainly don't want to be running around my village all day with a visitor flag. It causes certain complications.
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Re: Visitor Buff

Postby Mario_Demorez » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:20 am

MagicManICT wrote:Nah. 1) Don't oath people into your village you don't trust: OR
2) use smaller p-claims; OR
3) use field cairns to fine tune permissions in certain areas.

Tools are in place to keep potentially unruly villagers in line. They may not be the most convenient, and need to be improved in various manners. Let's work on ideas to improve the tools we have on hand, not diminish good ideas.

I certainly don't want to be running around my village all day with a visitor flag. It causes certain complications.

The visitor flag would only affect you if you didn’t have permissions in that area though. Putting up cairns doesn’t do anything different than using roles in village, they can still commit crimes. If I place a pclaim though it applies the visitor buff. Why not just make it where the gate applies the buff and not the claim.
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Re: Visitor Buff

Postby Lojka » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:21 am

but you can build your HF inside, and then just teleport to it and you won't have Visitor Buff
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Re: Visitor Buff

Postby Lyrroth » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:58 am

MagicManICT wrote:Nah. 1) Don't oath people into your village you don't trust: OR
2) use smaller p-claims; OR
3) use field cairns to fine tune permissions in certain areas.

Tools are in place to keep potentially unruly villagers in line. They may not be the most convenient, and need to be improved in various manners. Let's work on ideas to improve the tools we have on hand, not diminish good ideas.

I certainly don't want to be running around my village all day with a visitor flag. It causes certain complications.


rip public projects going by this logic
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Re: Visitor Buff

Postby Pan_w_okularach » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:51 am

here's an idea: remove visitor's debuff.
pros:
1. would make things less (unnecessarily) convoluted
2. would prevent all the numerous exploits and abuses of the visitor system
cons:
???
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Re: Visitor Buff

Postby neeco » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:34 pm

Pan_w_okularach wrote:cons:
???

Large open markets would not be able to exist. Unless you see that as a pro, I guess.
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Re: Visitor Buff

Postby MagicManICT » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:46 pm

Pan_w_okularach wrote:2. would prevent all the numerous exploits and abuses of the visitor system

Let's remove walls, too, because they get exploited and abused. :roll:
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