Change credos into tutorials

[Colin500]

Credos should be a rewarding tutorial to the job, rather than a rewarding, tedious, boring and monotonous challenge.
They could still cost LP, but make them slowly introduce the player to the job step by step, rather than randomizing what he has to do and how many times.

[DDDsDD999]

How? Just open a page to the wiki on a browser? The existing "tutorial" is garbage, and you want more? Just seems like a request to make credos easier, which I agree with.

[Colin500]

How? Just open a page to the wiki on a browser? The existing "tutorial" is garbage, and you want more? Just seems like a request to make credos easier, which I agree with.

Well yes, the intend is to make them easier, but at the same time make them somehow useful, of course the existing tutorial is garbage, because devs as devs not players, should ask/hire actual players to create a decent tutorial for others.

[Tamalak]

Credos are too advanced and hard to unlock

Imo each time you learn a SKILL you should get a simple tutorial questline. Completing it refunds part of the LP for buying the skill maybe.

[loftar]

I'm not sure where I stand on the credos. It's not like I can't see the argument that they are tedious (at least at higher levels), but on the other hand, the alternative seems to be that anyone who is playing even semi-seriously just has all the credos "by default", just as the situation is with skills. At that point, I don't think they fill any purpose any longer, and I'd rather just remove them outright. The whole point of them is pretty much that you don't have them all.

[Headchef]

I'm not sure where I stand on the credos. It's not like I can't see the argument that they are tedious (at least at higher levels), but on the other hand, the alternative seems to be that anyone who is playing even semi-seriously just has all the credos "by default", just as the situation is with skills. At that point, I don't think they fill any purpose any longer, and I'd rather just remove them outright. The whole point of them is pretty much that you don't have them all.

Not all, many are too tedious to do at higher levels so they will be abandoned.

[DDDsDD999]

I'm not sure where I stand on the credos. It's not like I can't see the argument that they are tedious (at least at higher levels), but on the other hand, the alternative seems to be that anyone who is playing even semi-seriously just has all the credos "by default", just as the situation is with skills. At that point, I don't think they fill any purpose any longer, and I'd rather just remove them outright. The whole point of them is pretty much that you don't have them all.

They're tedious at all levels, mind-numbingly impossible at higher ones. There's so many worthless credos; I quit before I got to any of the credos I actually wanted. And the useful ones are so broken you can't be competitive without them. It's pretty ridiculous.

[wonder-ass]

I'm not sure where I stand on the credos. It's not like I can't see the argument that they are tedious (at least at higher levels), but on the other hand, the alternative seems to be that anyone who is playing even semi-seriously just has all the credos "by default", just as the situation is with skills. At that point, I don't think they fill any purpose any longer, and I'd rather just remove them outright. The whole point of them is pretty much that you don't have them all.

idk just force a path if you dont want us to have all, if you go blacksmith you cant go farmer etc etc. like how legacy personal beliefs worked.

[AntiBlitz]

I'm not sure where I stand on the credos. It's not like I can't see the argument that they are tedious (at least at higher levels), but on the other hand, the alternative seems to be that anyone who is playing even semi-seriously just has all the credos "by default", just as the situation is with skills. At that point, I don't think they fill any purpose any longer, and I'd rather just remove them outright. The whole point of them is pretty much that you don't have them all.

idk just force a path if you dont want us to have all, if you go blacksmith you cant go farmer etc etc. like how legacy personal beliefs worked.

100% this.

[pppp]

I'm not sure where I stand on the credos. It's not like I can't see the argument that they are tedious (at least at higher levels), but on the other hand, the alternative seems to be that anyone who is playing even semi-seriously just has all the credos "by default", just as the situation is with skills. At that point, I don't think they fill any purpose any longer, and I'd rather just remove them outright. The whole point of them is pretty much that you don't have them all.

idk just force a path if you dont want us to have all, if you go blacksmith you cant go farmer etc etc. like how legacy personal beliefs worked.

Isn't that already a case, in practical perspective ? If you beeline blacksmith credos then farmer credo line becomes prohibitively expensive, but you still can try that if you try really hard.
I agree though a "no" instead of "maybe" flattens the field between people with a life and tryharders.

It all boils down to the question if playing more should be rewarded and if YES then how much, and if NO then how to enforce it.

I like that getting all credos is not practically feasible. I think it is better to nerf the part that makes some of them obligatory.