Food & Level Scaling Rework

[Archiplex]

Hey, one thing to remember if health is made this much lower is the impact it will have on committing crimes; that is, the 1 shp damage dealt to people upon committing a crime is now a much more significant thing to be dealt with.

[Granger]

Hey, one thing to remember if health is made this much lower is the impact it will have on committing crimes; that is, the 1 shp damage dealt to people upon committing a crime is now a much more significant thing to be dealt with.

Good.

[MrBunzy]

Hey, one thing to remember if health is made this much lower is the impact it will have on committing crimes; that is, the 1 shp damage dealt to people upon committing a crime is now a much more significant thing to be dealt with.

Good.

Why do you want to discourage people from stealing? I recall making squads of theft alts with nothing but con to help loot back in legacy and it wasn't super fun.
If anything we should encourage people to actually commit crime for material gain, rather than just raiding to destroy as much as possible. Compare destroying a house, which costs 1 hp, to searching through every container in a house and grabbing various valuables, costing potentially hundreds of hp. The game certainly seems to be guiding players towards the destructive rout at the moment and I see that as a bad thing.

[Archiplex]

I think it's a good time to give it a bit of a rework; destroying a container with many items should, for example, apply much more of the penalty in comparison to tresspassing or theft.

Heck, I don't think tresspassing should apply any penalty.

Basically, the 1 hp per scent thing is sort of inherently a bandaid fix, and a proper system for it should be added sooner than later.

[Vigilance]

strongly agree with trespassing not costing hp but tbh i'd be down to keep 1 shp on everything else so its not free to just ctrl alt click someone's grind on the ground.

[MrBunzy]

strongly agree with trespassing not costing hp but tbh i'd be down to keep 1 shp on everything else so its not free to just ctrl alt click someone's grind on the ground.

But then people could leave infinite trespass scents to try and crash the server, needs to be some sort of cost. And it only costs 1 shp to dump an entire cupboard of someone's grind onto the ground via destroying it, I don't see why this should be so much easier than stealing the contents.

[Archiplex]

strongly agree with trespassing not costing hp but tbh i'd be down to keep 1 shp on everything else so its not free to just ctrl alt click someone's grind on the ground.

But then people could leave infinite trespass scents to try and crash the server, needs to be some sort of cost. And it only costs 1 shp to dump an entire cupboard of someone's grind onto the ground via destroying it, I don't see why this should be so much easier than stealing the contents.

That should be easy enough to bypass by just having trespass (or any scent, while we're at it) not create extra scents on the floor, and instead have them increase the severity of a previous scent.

Basically, other theft and vandalism, a scent doesn't need to actually show exactly where something happened, and thus creating multiple 'scent' harvestables is silly. They should just create a generic 'zone' where the scents were comitted that you can go to collect them all from, or one very large scent if they repeatedly entered and left.

[DDDsDD999]

If the only concern is preventing a billion scents being botted, then each criminal act could just have a % chance to trigger the 1 SHP cost.

[Tamalak]

I oppose both changes.

Such an extreme change in combat formula pushes the game dynamic from 'diminishing returns' to 'pointless to advance'. Your combat effectiveness is already the fourth root of FEP invested, since your stat is sqrt(invested FEP) and then your combat effectiveness is sqrt(stat). This would make it the eighth root!

As for satiations.. I must be the only one who likes them as they are, just take out the randomness from them! Restoring satiations with drinks is more satisfying than 'buffing' would be, as well as feeling more LARPy, and without negative satiations we'd go back to the days of eating a cupboardful of cheese in one go.

I think if you wanted to pump the breaks on crazy amounts of advancement, look at the scaling of items, not stats. Look at what the pros are eating massive amounts of and ask why they're so much better. One suggestion would be to more sharply increase the growth time of crops according to their quality.. so a q90 wheat is 3x as good as q10 but also takes 3x as long to grow. Same with gestation and milk production of animals. If there was some kind of resistance to skyrocketing qualities of domestic stuff, forage would also be more useful.

[MagicManICT]

I think if you wanted to pump the breaks on crazy amounts of advancement, look at the scaling of items, not stats. Look at what the pros are eating massive amounts of and ask why they're so much better. One suggestion would be to more sharply increase the growth time of crops according to their quality.. so a q90 wheat is 3x as good as q10 but also takes 3x as long to grow. Same with gestation and milk production of animals. If there was some kind of resistance to skyrocketing qualities of domestic stuff, forage would also be more useful.

I think we would all like to see systems to encourage actively interfacing with the game and playing, not to encourage more people to run to bots to get done what they need to do.