Deers need a major rework

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Deers need a major rework

Postby shubla » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:56 am

Currently deers in HnH are not very good, as we have seasons, they need seasonality.

First of all during the late fall, female deers (hinds) produce less some specific hormone, which results in drop of testosterone levels in male deers(stags), and they shed their antlers!

Also, only stags have antlers, currently all deers in a group have antlers. Which is just wrong!
Deers actually form harems during mating season(rut), where there is 1 stag deer and then from few to dozen hinds.
Sometimes there may be more than 1 stag in a harem, if food is plentiful.

Thus I propose the following changes:
Group behaviour
During winter, spring and summer, deers often move in single-sex groups, so there should be groups with only stag (with antlers) and only groups with hinds (without antlers).
During fall, deers should form harems, with only one stag in them and then multiple hinds. During fall there should also be weak beta males that don't have harems in small groups/alone.

Antlers
During winter, elks shouldn't have any antlers at all.
In the spring, they should gradually start to have antlers more often,.
During the summer, and fall they should always have antlers.
You could perhaps sometimes find shed antlers from the forest during late fall/early winter.

Battles
During the rut (which is in fall) stags should sometimes fight between each other, often only to show off, but sometimes to death.

I think that these changes would be relatively easy to do, and really add more immersion and meaningfulness for the seasons.
Other animals could also get some changes depending on the season, but that topic is to be discussed in another thread.
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Re: Deers need a major rework

Postby shubla » Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:34 pm

Bump.
Many animals of HnH lore have already been added now. So next step might be to improve their behaviour etc. Not all at once, but something like suggested in op for deers at first.
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Re: Deers need a major rework

Postby shubla » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:24 am

Bump.
All animals need some rework. They are important part of the game but feel like one of the dumbest elements atm.
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Re: Deers need a major rework

Postby TheTylerLee » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:23 pm

How do you know so much about deer and still call them deers?
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Re: Deers need a major rework

Postby Audiosmurf » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:45 pm

Don't know how I feel about the idea of making antlers more sparse, without adjusting hartshorn numbers.
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Re: Deers need a major rework

Postby Lunarius_Haberdash » Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:26 pm

TheTylerLee wrote:How do you know so much about deer and still call them deers?


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Re: Deers need a major rework

Postby maze » Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:45 pm

TheTylerLee wrote:How do you know so much about deer and still call them deers?


Don't tell me your one of those people who call them whitetails.
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Re: Deers need a major rework

Postby MagicManICT » Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:29 pm

maze wrote:
TheTylerLee wrote:How do you know so much about deer and still call them deers?


Don't tell me your one of those people who call them whitetails.
freaking Americans

Everyone in American that lives with them call them whitetail. We all call them 'doe' and 'buck'

Audiosmurf wrote:Don't know how I feel about the idea of making antlers more sparse, without adjusting hartshorn numbers.

Actually, I think it'd make getting antlers a bit easier for foragers.
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Re: Deers need a major rework

Postby Zampfeo » Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:39 pm

MagicManICT wrote:Everyone in American that lives with them call them whitetail.


They're just deer here in Michigan and most of the midwest AFAIK. We even got one our flag. I think whitetail is a Southern thing.

I'm a bit disappointed Shubla went through all this trouble and didn't even suggest velvety antlers. In summer, the antlers should have velvet on them. Maybe make it a decent season-specific curio.
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Re: Deers need a major rework

Postby cellites » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:34 am

+1 I would love to seem more usage of the seasons in the game, and as someone who has hunted irl I'd love to see deer going through the cycles they actually go through.
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