Fires should be harder/slower to make during winter

[Omnipotent]

As per dragons mentions:

Fires should be harder to make during winter and should require more time and energy.

[azrid]

There is too much fire content already in the game. Boring idea.

[Mario_Demorez]

But it makes sense. Colder wood takes more energy to rise to the flaming point. This needs to be fixed asap.

[Hasta]

Wood left outside during nights or all around the day in winter/in autumn becomes Damp and less effective as fuel.

[azrid]

But it makes sense. Colder wood takes more energy to rise to the flaming point. This needs to be fixed asap.

Many things make sense that are not worth the time.
I'd rather see winter become easier not harder. Many non trolls agree with this.

[Omnipotent]

But it makes sense. Colder wood takes more energy to rise to the flaming point. This needs to be fixed asap.

Many things make sense that are not worth the time.
I'd rather see winter become easier not harder. Many non trolls agree with this.

You're just complaining and shitting on peoples ideas. I don't see you coming up with any bright ideas azrid. Can you do anything constructive or are you just trying to talk shit in C&I?

[MagicManICT]

IF this gets considered, it'd be because

Wood left outside during nights or all around the day in winter/in autumn becomes Damp and less effective as fuel.

(don't forget spring), not

But it makes sense. Colder wood takes more energy to rise to the flaming point. This needs to be fixed asap.

The temperature difference of "cold" wood (say -10 C) vs "warm" wood (say 30 C) has very little to do with it. You're talking a couple of minutes in a 20-30 minute operation. The temperatures you need to raise wood up to are around 300-400 C depending on the species of try, dryness, etc. Hardwoods are at the top end of the range, softer woods to the lower.

[Mario_Demorez]

IF this gets considered, it'd be because

Wood left outside during nights or all around the day in winter/in autumn becomes Damp and less effective as fuel.

(don't forget spring), not

But it makes sense. Colder wood takes more energy to rise to the flaming point. This needs to be fixed asap.

The temperature difference of "cold" wood (say -10 C) vs "warm" wood (say 30 C) has very little to do with it. You're talking a couple of minutes in a 20-30 minute operation. The temperatures you need to raise wood up to are around 300-400 C depending on the species of try, dryness, etc. Hardwoods are at the top end of the range, softer woods to the lower.

But there is a difference in energy need. I’m not sure exact time and energy it’ll take but if you really want to calculate you can use Cp and assume some numbers. I’m sure difference species of wood have different flammability points. I definitely think when trying to catch something on fire (raise its temperature to flammability point) the initial temp of the object is very important. How much energy do you really think is being produced by some twigs rubbing together?

Also from hiking and camping experience: it’s way harder to start a fire in snow. Snow makes everything wet, the wood isn’t drying out that has fallen on the ground. Your hands are cold. Definitely should be added to the game!

[MagicManICT]

But there is a difference in energy need. I’m not sure exact time and energy it’ll take but if you really want to calculate you can use Cp and assume some numbers. I’m sure difference species of wood have different flammability points. I definitely think when trying to catch something on fire (raise its temperature to flammability point) the initial temp of the object is very important. How much energy do you really think is being produced by some twigs rubbing together?

Yes, I mentioned different species (typo--'try' supposed to be 'tree'; sorry). Thermodynamics of wood is known per species group (oaks, maples, etc, pardon for not using the proper biological classifications here). As far as the thermodynamics go, some factors are more important than others. The 40 degree difference I mentioned is really pretty small when you factor in the target temperature (675 - 775 K or so) and other relative thermodynamic properties (friction, material density, thermal transference, etc).