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Postby czaper2 » Wed May 13, 2020 6:26 pm

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Re: Change the Bond of Blood and Soil to something less Nazi

Postby Audiosmurf » Wed May 13, 2020 6:44 pm

Due to its expensive nature, I think we should rename the Great Hall to the Hall of Cost.
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Re: Change the Bond of Blood and Soil to something less Nazi

Postby abt79 » Wed May 13, 2020 6:45 pm

Seems like kind of a stretch tbh.

Either way I think you're asking this of the wrong devs
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Re: Change the Bond of Blood and Soil to something less Nazi

Postby MightySheep » Wed May 13, 2020 7:51 pm

what about "bond of soil and blood"? ¦]
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Re: Change the Bond of Blood and Soil to something less Nazi

Postby Fostik » Wed May 13, 2020 7:52 pm

czaper2 wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil

I'd think the developers should remove this alt-right Nazi slogan from our the game.


If this is some king of joke - i think you should be warned for this thread.

If you are serious - bound of blood and soil means item, that has special a relation between your blood, and taken soil, which means you has claimed some land by this item. No references to anything that you may think, this is perfect game lore thing, we all love Jorb for that little things.
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Re: Change the Bond of Blood and Soil to something less Nazi

Postby czaper2 » Wed May 13, 2020 8:57 pm

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Re: Change the Bond of Blood and Soil to something less Nazi

Postby MagicManICT » Wed May 13, 2020 10:19 pm

The concept the phrase is based on dates back much older. I'm not even going to pretend to know all the various oaths sworn etc etc of or to Kings and other nobles, but it was a frequent concept in the things I have read. I believe Shakespeare had mention of something like this in one of his plays. Much of vampire mythology is based around similar concepts.

The Nazis used the specific phrase in a general manner as a slogan for part of their ministry. That does not make it "owned" by the Nazis any more than the swastika (which was also ripped off from other cultures.) It's a matter of how the words and symbols are displayed and the meaning behind them, and not just the words themselves.
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Re: Change the Bond of Blood and Soil to something less Nazi

Postby Necrisha » Wed May 13, 2020 10:20 pm

Funny thing is, when I first type in "bond of blood and soil" The first wikipedia article I come across is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motif-Ind ... Literature

While it is common for Nazi's to hijack and corrupt cultural icons from virtually all other cultures few people deny the most controversial is the reverse swastika. Other products of Nazi cultural appropriation include conservative christian values as cited here: https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/nazi-ideology/

Should I argue that because Nazism have hijacked a religious sects values all Conservative Christians are Nazi's?
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Re: Change the Bond of Blood and Soil to something less Nazi

Postby MagicManICT » Wed May 13, 2020 10:24 pm

Necrisha wrote:Should I argue that because Nazism have hijacked a religious sects values all Conservative Christians are Nazi's?

Well, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.... ¦]
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Re: Change the Bond of Blood and Soil to something less Nazi

Postby Cajoes » Wed May 13, 2020 10:27 pm

Well I think the devs should remove anyone that tries to censor common concepts because someone somewhere used it in a societally regressive context. But you don't see me wasting their time with such petty demands.
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