More Food Variety - Nut Edition

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More Food Variety - Nut Edition

Postby Zhiandra » Sat May 30, 2020 4:52 am

Hey Hearthfolk!

I'm sure other people have mentioned these suggestions in the past, but there are a few things that I've come across that would REALLY make sense for it to be in the game. Taking historical accuracy into account, some of these have been around for over a millenium in some variant or another.

Oil:
Olives are in the game as what feel like an after thought, a simple additive that 1) is added to Bread raw (which are incredibly bitter without being processed in some way,) or 2) is eaten on its own for laughable FEPs (See point 1 on olives tasting like butt). We have extraction presses, olives, and loads of foods that could benefit from cooking with it. Rather than considering it a "Spice," have an additional modifier for Oils as well! Hell, even Linseed oil could be used to cook with, so there's some variance to be had here. Even using fat or butter in place of oil could have some viability. I'm not saying we need to have fried chicken (Batter's in-game as well..) but I'm saying we need to have fried chicken. Definitely oils though. Seriously, oil has been a trade commodity for hundreds and hundreds of years BC. Make Oil Great Again.

Quiches:
Medieval cuisine was very much a hodgepodge of "Whatever we can make work," and Quiches were a prime example of this. They weren't cited by name until the 18th century or so, but variances of the Quiche have been in use since the middle ages. Most commonly referred to as "Flans." This could be a great use of egg, cheese, and other "mid-game" food sources for some really robust FEP output. Tarts would be another variance of the word. It's the Stir Fry of pastries.

Nut Recipes:
There are a handful of nuts in the game, and each of them is astonishingly useless. Walnuts, Chestnuts, Hazelnuts, and Almonds are all fairly rare commodities in a traditional sense, yet they find almost no use in Haven. Most white girls here in America, and every other person in sensible parts of the world, have learned of the joys of Hazelnut spread through Nutella. I have no doubt that similar uses couldn't be used within Haven. Walnut pies (harkening back to tarts, in this case,) Almond milk (literally water and almonds,) and Roasted Chestnuts are all very simple recipes that have been around for centuries upon centuries upon centuries. Heck, Almond Butter can be made in a grindstone/pestle with lots of elbow grease, and can really come to life with some extra oil added (see above.) Give us orchardists reason to grow them aside from their very attractive wood.

That's what I've got for ideas, and Jorb willing, these'll see the light of day. I don't spend a huge amount of time cooking in Haven, but I'm finding there are a surprising number of commonplace food items that have never made the light of day. Inversely, we've been graced with unparalleled culinary excellencies like the "Creamy Cock."

I hope I've made a compelling argument. <3
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Re: More Food Variety - Nut Edition

Postby Clemence » Sat May 30, 2020 5:17 am

Just to tone down the never ending complexification of the game.
This game is about nordic people, they were not in the "oil" trip like around mediterranea.
And I dont think almond or soy milk and stuf were very present, perhaps marzipan.
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Re: More Food Variety - Nut Edition

Postby Zhiandra » Sat May 30, 2020 9:05 am

Fair point! I had been under the impression that the setting was more Indo-European, closer geographically to present-day Germany. Chestnuts, to use an example, were introduced from Sardis (in Asia Minor) to Europe several hundred years BC. I don't think it's even possible to cultivate them in colder Nordic climes. Could be wrong. Almond Milk specifically took off in Arabian nations, and eventually made its way to Europe in the medieval ages. Marzipan is a very good citation of one recipe that could definitely be used, though it's speculated that it had originated somewhere in the Mediterranean as well.

Obviously this is a game, and these are fake nuts from fake trees making fake foods. I'm simply trying to start a conversation that I know I've heard other folks make good points on in both directions. Apologies in advance if I'm stepping on anyone's toes with any counter-arguments I might make; I've really come to appreciate H&H after diving in head-first in this world, and would love to see some more neat additions like these in the game. No ill will intended in any way. <3
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Re: More Food Variety - Nut Edition

Postby vatas » Sat May 30, 2020 3:40 pm

http://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/about
Haven & Hearth is a MMORPG (Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game) set in a fictional world loosely inspired by Slavic and Germanic myth and legend.


Now that that's out of the way, I understand both the sides of the argument on fundamental level, but don't see how adding Olive Oil would make the game too complex. Although it would likely become either something that nobody bothers with or so OP it's mandatory to have barrels of the stuff at hand all times.

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Re: More Food Variety - Nut Edition

Postby drakesaint » Sat May 30, 2020 6:46 pm

Clemence wrote:And I dont think almond or soy milk and stuf were very present, perhaps marzipan.

I'm only up for soy milk if it changes the hearthling's sex after an overdose.
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