Make crimes only have a chance of doing HP damage

[SnuggleSnail]

Early world I often find myself unable to take things I actually want and always being low HP from crime, and late world I always seem to end up moving 5 vandal alts across and cycling them through beds whenever I want to do something. In raids nobody ever just goes through cupboards and takes what they want, it's always picking up cupboards, moving them off claim, then taking stuff, because it's the most HP efficient.

It doesn't really affect destroying stuff, usually, because bashing an entire house is 1 HP, which is what you'd want to do if your goal is total destruction anyway. I think leaving a scent only having a 5%-10% chance to do SHP damage would still work as DDOS protection, and hinder gameplay less.

[MrBunzy]

+1
The game should encourage raiding to steal stuff over raiding to salt the earth and destroy everything, but currently it does the opposite by making it easier to destroy than to steal.

[saltyfish]

Oh, Booo-hoooo... boo-hoooo

(too much effort in ruining ppl (?). Maybe devs should add extra HHP demage for that...)

[Fierce_Deity]

I mean yeah, that would make sense. Higher crimes should do more damage and have a higher chance of triggering then lower crimes. Vandalism could have a chance to deal damage for each 25% health destroyed on an object.

[vatas]

There's some point in this post. Looking into 10 containers is arguably less sever of an offense than bashing the house, but game punishes you with 10 SHP lost for the former and 1 SHP for the latter (assuming you have enough energy/water to not run out of neither, and having to restart the process.)

If I was brainstorming about this with devs, I would suggest changing direct SHP damage from scents into some sort off debuff that would be separate for each type of crime. You could look into quite a lot of containers without filling up your Tresspassing debuff counter, but each tick of dealing damage to a house would add to your vandalism debuff counter.

[shubla]

Simple fix is to count all items when lifting or bashing a container.
For example if you lift a cupboard with 6 items, you get 7SHP dmg.
If you bash house with 2 looms and 5 cupboards totalling 5*64 items, you will get 328 shp damage.
This way it will always be more sensible to steal items than destroy containers holding them.

To make further difference in destroying a stick fence when compared to a house, there could be a hitpoint-based vandalism damage for destroying stuff too. sqrt(hitpoints)*soak for example. This wouldn't apply to vandalism done with siege machines.

[MadNomad]

Simple fix is to count all items when lifting or bashing a container.
For example if you lift a cupboard with 6 items, you get 7SHP dmg.
If you bash house with 2 looms and 5 cupboards totalling 5*64 items, you will get 328 shp damage.
This way it will always be more sensible to steal items than destroy containers holding them.

To make further difference in destroying a stick fence when compared to a house, there could be a hitpoint-based vandalism damage for destroying stuff too. sqrt(hitpoints)*soak for example. This wouldn't apply to vandalism done with siege machines.

this is a good idea, but I think that it could be improved by a lot - damage should also be based on the item that was stolen/destroyed(for items that can be put in inventory) - for example a sword should give 10 base shp damage when stolen, multiplied by the same multiplier that increases damage

similiar thing should be implemented for all items that exist in game - this way you wouldn't be able to mindlessly bash everything but choose your actions wisely

[shubla]

Simple fix is to count all items when lifting or bashing a container.
For example if you lift a cupboard with 6 items, you get 7SHP dmg.
If you bash house with 2 looms and 5 cupboards totalling 5*64 items, you will get 328 shp damage.
This way it will always be more sensible to steal items than destroy containers holding them.

To make further difference in destroying a stick fence when compared to a house, there could be a hitpoint-based vandalism damage for destroying stuff too. sqrt(hitpoints)*soak for example. This wouldn't apply to vandalism done with siege machines.

this is a good idea, but I think that it could be improved by a lot - damage should also be based on the item that was stolen/destroyed(for items that can be put in inventory) - for example a sword should give 10 base shp damage when stolen, multiplied by the same multiplier that increases damage

similiar thing should be implemented for all items that exist in game - this way you wouldn't be able to mindlessly bash everything but choose your actions wisely

Manual item specific shp damages would be too complicated.

[vatas]

Manual item specific shp damages would be too complicated.

Reminds me of how (IIRC) jorb was otherwise quite cordial to inventory weight system, but it would require assigning weight to every single item in the game.

[hektor96643]

Early world I often find myself unable to take things I actually want and always being low HP from crime, and late world I always seem to end up moving 5 vandal alts across and cycling them through beds whenever I want to do something. In raids nobody ever just goes through cupboards and takes what they want, it's always picking up cupboards, moving them off claim, then taking stuff, because it's the most HP efficient.

It doesn't really affect destroying stuff, usually, because bashing an entire house is 1 HP, which is what you'd want to do if your goal is total destruction anyway. I think leaving a scent only having a 5%-10% chance to do SHP damage would still work as DDOS protection, and hinder gameplay less.

Our most beloved Slugness made a valid point.
+1